tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post1374813337251557586..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: What if NC leaders used teacher pay scale?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-17527586351422420282013-08-20T19:10:59.228-04:002013-08-20T19:10:59.228-04:00Heath does not care about teachers. If he did he w...Heath does not care about teachers. If he did he would not have hired 60 staff personel & only 30 teachers. He would have hired 90 teachers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-40065562233751051172013-08-20T19:03:36.142-04:002013-08-20T19:03:36.142-04:00NC has had one of the fastest growing populations....NC has had one of the fastest growing populations. Thus it has hired many more new teachers. States with decreasing populations are laying off newest teachers. I would hope the CMS teachers understand this "mix" of newer vs older teachers skew the averages. It is not as bad as it appears - if you look at what is behind the numbers. Of course this would not fit moveon.org's agenda against GOP. Don't get used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-49440882307649509882013-08-20T18:16:37.913-04:002013-08-20T18:16:37.913-04:00Teachers in nc make a lot more than I thought they...Teachers in nc make a lot more than I thought they did,so why are they complaining. most people here make a lot less half or less than they do. they still want raises ,and are protesting the horrible republicans. we tax payers are broke ,suck it up,40k up to 60k or more is very good for here.the amounts below are starting pay most make a lot more than that.The Bureau of Labor Statistics regularly gathers data related to the annual wages of teachers in North Carolina and other states. According to the BLS, as of 2010, the average kindergarten teacher in North Carolina had an annual salary of $41,760. Elementary teachers earn slightly more with an annual take home pay of $43,200, while middle school teachers earn an average salary of $42,670. Secondary school teachers or high school teachers earn an average salary of $44,730. The statistics for teachers at all four types of schools exclude special education teachersAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920008876420561121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-23197161813149988842013-08-20T12:35:54.624-04:002013-08-20T12:35:54.624-04:00Today I heard a couple of retired teachers make th...Today I heard a couple of retired teachers make the statement that the teachers should all not show up for the first day of school to protest the “failure” of the State and local Governments to succumb to their demands of more money and the return of higher pay for a Master’s Degree. When I asked about the reality of the real world versus the public employee mentality they gave me nothing but the talking points that all the media repeat, never asking the teachers or their leaders where the money is supposed to come from! Some facts from the NEA, the North Carolina ranked 46th with an average teacher salary is $45,933 (2012), and from the US Census North Carolina is ranked 45th in average family income with $45,206. Even tonight on your news at 10 you did 2 things I find incredibly stupid. You played a sound byte of a “New” teacher and the reporter said “the one thing he would not get was a pay raise.” How many new employees get a pay raise? Showing a littler bias for the teachers? The second thing was the new Superintendent of Schools saying he was disappointed that the teachers were only ranked 48th in pay. Again do any of you do any research into what you report or just let your selves be led by the teachers and their self-centered wants? The teachers keep complaining about not getting any raises in 5 years, please do a little research in the private sector, my wife has not had a raise in 5 years and our health insurance has gone up every year as well, as have all our costs of living. She makes less money than the teachers and works 52 weeks a year, not 9 months like the teachers do.<br />The next thing is the false idea that if teachers get a Master’s degree they should get higher pay for doing the same job. Ask any private employer if they will pay a higher wage for doing the same job if a higher Degree is not required? Example: a Project Manager at a large company got his Masters and wanted to move to a Plant Manager position that was open to get a higher salary but did not get that position and then quit to find a job where the pay was equal to his education. <br />The teachers and the NCAE need to study the math of the state family income vs. their greed. If they want to make what a NJ teacher makes they should move to NJ and be prepared to pay the New Jersey Median Real Estate Taxes which are $6,828 per year. NC’s are $1,223 per year. As well as all the other higher costs of living.<br />Everyone is hurting and the economy is not getting better except in the minds of those in the White House. Now is not the time for teachers to insist that they are deserving of raises when the tax base will not support it. The private sector is not getting any raises at this time, and higher taxes would be a severe burden on too many people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77267306901526428542013-08-19T11:19:42.131-04:002013-08-19T11:19:42.131-04:00You can also be certain that every Doctor, lawyer,...You can also be certain that every Doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc had a teacher with an education degree at some point. You don't get to college without a teacher. I don't care if you were home schooled. At some point, someone who taught you something was a teacher. Be it the actual teachers who got you to college, or the parents who went to school and taught you at home. You may have gone to engineering school, but I bet they didn't take you without a high school diploma. Where do you plan for your children to get those from? The North Carolina General Assembly? Let's talk about STEM for a minute. I'm an NCSSM alumni - but I still had to take English. STEM is important, but without question the most important thing is this world is the ability to communicate. It doesn't matter how well we can do science, and math if we can't communicate those discoveries. I honestly dare every teacher to walk out the door, and stop working and see what happens then. Maybe then they will finally get the respect they deserve. They watch our children, teach our children, and in way too many cases, raise our children. And we squabble over whether or not they deserve money?????????? There is NO job that doesn't require a teacher. I don't care what you do. Every job has a learning curve. And as technology gets more and more advanced, even the computer at the McDonald's will require a child get through middle school. Even construction requires learning. I'm not bashing any profession requiring hard work, but no job is done without learning. And teachers teach children not only information, but HOW to learn. Yet we begrudge them a paycheck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-8280669481481572392013-08-19T10:21:14.986-04:002013-08-19T10:21:14.986-04:00Debbie Leonard...
You can be certain that enginee...Debbie Leonard...<br /><br />You can be certain that engineers with engineering degrees teach engineering, not "teachers" with "education" degrees.<br /><br />Don't get too full of yourself.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-32554435190507968942013-08-19T08:53:04.995-04:002013-08-19T08:53:04.995-04:008:32 Over 50% of our elem and middle school (and ...8:32 Over 50% of our elem and middle school (and HS for that matter) students in the the far south charlotte area are driven to school by Moms and dads in the mornings. The schools have done counts, it's hundreds of cars and hundreds of students. I believe it is because it makes morning routines so much easier and parents can drop kids off on their way to work, or let their kids get an extra 40 minutes of sleep and some breakfast in the morning. Makes sense to me.Cookienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-32025037431259763752013-08-18T20:31:45.729-04:002013-08-18T20:31:45.729-04:00STRIKE
MAKE IT WORK
or
MOVE ON !
Teachers qu...STRIKE<br /><br />MAKE IT WORK<br /><br />or <br /><br />MOVE ON !<br /><br /><br />Teachers quit your pitty party. Deal with the salary and class sizes or go find another job!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-55554955854938144982013-08-18T14:30:03.454-04:002013-08-18T14:30:03.454-04:00Do you work with 20 plus students each day? Do yo...Do you work with 20 plus students each day? Do you have a 20 minute lunch break? What is your education level compared to teachers? Volunteer at any regular school for one day and then make that comment without sounding like an idiot. Do you know how much it cost to repair these HUD homes that are being offered to teachers and police through this program? These repairs cost almost as much as the house is being sold for. I have 12 yrs of experience and a master's degree, my monthly take home pay is not even $2,600.Sympathy or not, we are worth so much more!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-22151615473972524182013-08-18T13:14:45.345-04:002013-08-18T13:14:45.345-04:00One thing I haven't seen (or maybe missed) was...One thing I haven't seen (or maybe missed) was how long does a teacher have to teach to reach that $46000 average salary. From the pay scales, it's any where between 9 to 15 years experience. Would you work for 9 to 15 years to make "not that bad of money"? What does a private sector job make with the same level of education and the same number of years of service? Something to think about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-83424278887353754212013-08-18T11:46:19.315-04:002013-08-18T11:46:19.315-04:00Wiley, I live in Charlotte for my job and my short...Wiley, I live in Charlotte for my job and my short commute. I do know hundreds of folks who have moved to Ft. Mill and love the benefits the great state of SC provides. When I get closer to retirement age I would certainly consider moving to the great state. If our county leaders had a clue they would push the state of NC for a work tax as millions flee the border daily at night. Why just look at the big banana Chiquita that we gave a huge tax incentive too. Most of their employees were put on buses to buy homes in Fort Mill by their Chamber Partner Allen Tate. How much sense does that make for a mecklenburg county tax payer? They just use our infrastructure while buying their food, home,gas and booze in another state. Other states have controlled this for decades with a work tax our leaders done seem to have the spine to do it. Keith W. HurleyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3906684417846179702013-08-18T11:29:46.657-04:002013-08-18T11:29:46.657-04:00Watching Heath on NBC's Flashpoint. He questio...Watching Heath on NBC's Flashpoint. He questions priorities, yet seems oblivious to the fact he could demonstrate teachers are a priority by reallocating funds from his bloated admintration bureaucracy. Not only would it create more dollars for teachers, it would streamline the decision making process and generate other benefits.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-20210101294771890802013-08-18T11:11:37.559-04:002013-08-18T11:11:37.559-04:007:14 Tamara , CMS has no clue of the waste in tran...7:14 Tamara , CMS has no clue of the waste in transportation area. They have to provide transportation so I get that part. Having 6 buses overlap while they are all 20 percent full is my issue. With the cameras on the buses they have all the documentation in front of them. They simply are not really interested in doing anything about it. I don't blame our county leaders for not giving them more budget dollars. VOTE NO BONDS !!!!!!!!!! Keith W. HurleyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-23817246461304536262013-08-18T09:16:08.329-04:002013-08-18T09:16:08.329-04:00Good for you and I hope you love your job. How did...Good for you and I hope you love your job. How did you learn by the way? Oh, teachers taught you? We need more teachers than engineers.Debbie Leonardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63594487126953366402013-08-18T09:08:58.218-04:002013-08-18T09:08:58.218-04:00What is your job, I'm curious. It's it c...What is your job, I'm curious. It's it comparable in responsibility, education and the amount of time after hours top a teacher? And it is 10 months, not 9.Debbie Leonardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-80060373473583302562013-08-18T08:32:21.383-04:002013-08-18T08:32:21.383-04:00When our son was in high school his bus came at 6:...When our son was in high school his bus came at 6:25 for a 3 mile drive to school. School started at 7:30 when he was there. Very few rode that bus because of the early pick up time. Most (below driving age) kids rode the bus home unless they were involved in after school activities. Overall I think it is incorrect to say that most "south Charlotte parents drive their kids to school"--most elementary and middle are on the bus, unless the bus schedule is totally ridiculous. True, a lot of parents do drive their kids on any given day for various reasons, but the majority, at least around our area, are on the bus.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-26279510309456835762013-08-17T19:14:12.041-04:002013-08-17T19:14:12.041-04:00Keith, your point about the buses is a valid one. ...Keith, your point about the buses is a valid one. Did you know that most of the morning buses for all of the south charlotte high schools are practically empty, yet they run them all (30 each school)because they have students assigned to the seats. These students will never step foot on the bus and will ride with fellow students or parents will drive them. Some of the buses get to the hs parking lots at 6:30am and sit there (running) til 6:45am when they can let the kids out. Most parents for ES, MS and HS, at least in the south charlotte area, drive their kids in the mornings to school anyway so why doesn't CMS cut all the schools fleet by 25-50% in the mornings and run the remaining buses to a few more stops. They will get to school in plenty of time, and save MILLIONS of dollars doing so. Just common sense.Tamaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-37386797362142525172013-08-17T15:31:01.148-04:002013-08-17T15:31:01.148-04:00Keith,
Why live in Charlotte? If you work here, d...Keith,<br /><br />Why live in Charlotte? If you work here, do like thousands and move to Ft. Mill or Union County.<br /><br />Ft. Mill can't build schools fast enough. <br /><br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-76724603082458530942013-08-17T15:19:52.890-04:002013-08-17T15:19:52.890-04:001:39
There are secretaries within CMS that make m...1:39<br /><br />There are secretaries within CMS that make more than teachers.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-34925959786286546122013-08-17T14:52:38.859-04:002013-08-17T14:52:38.859-04:00Wiley, I like the comparison number you presented....Wiley, I like the comparison number you presented. I would say in Charlotte unless you pay close to $600,000 you won't get in a great home school area. In some areas it's a matter of 1 or 2 streets away their could be a $300,000 drop in home values due to redistributing. I guess I am just lucky that my 6 year old neighborhood is still not in a district. I am between 3 different zones. You should see the number of buses over lapping when school is in session. The wasted fuel in my area could give the teachers a raise or enough money for a real big party at Bank Of America Stadium. I am talking year end bash for all the teachers in the state big time. I am talking about bringing in the Rolling Stones with Heath doing a solo . Keith W. HurleyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-30718624030198800792013-08-17T14:22:24.775-04:002013-08-17T14:22:24.775-04:00Did you read the article. They start at $30,800. C...Did you read the article. They start at $30,800. County supplements move up that number...thankfully. We work 10 months a year...not 9. You may think that's too much but that doesn't account for the time spent at night and weekends working. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63860328477511542372013-08-17T13:39:19.955-04:002013-08-17T13:39:19.955-04:00Ann, It was a great read! Despite the usual anony...Ann, It was a great read! Despite the usual anonymous trolls complaining about anything associated with education, government or helping anyone but themselves, it was an astute point you raised and many of us appreciated the research that went into it. Rather than viewing this post as a partisan shot, you did a wonderful job of highlighting the inequities of the system, regardless of the party in power. When short term secretaries working for a political leader make more than some of our state's best teachers, it confirms the inequities of the system. It is a sad valuation of our priorities... Having grown up in the Deep South, I was always impressed with North Carolina's reputation for high quality education, at least on a regional and collegiate level. It is sad to see it squandered for such narrow partisan aims. Equally disturbing is the tendency for Wiley and others to spew vitriolic anti-government hatred as they willingly ignore the governor's wasteful use of tax dollars. It's almost as if regardless of your post, their answer will fit into the same preset categories: 1) CMS is bloated, 2)teachers are lazy because they work 10 months or inner city kids are all thugs. <br />No offense meant to y'all but as a Republican who voted for Pat, I am not pleased with the way things have gone and welcome the perspective you brought. This is not what I signed up for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-79993731273022776622013-08-17T10:45:30.192-04:002013-08-17T10:45:30.192-04:00To follow up on the salary issue and cost of livin...To follow up on the salary issue and cost of living, here is a story from Money Watch.<br /><br />So put the cost of living into perspective when ranting about what you do or do not make.<br /><br />Also, CMS has 43 schools listed on the Great Schools website with a ranking of 8, 9 or 10.<br /><br /><b>(MoneyWatch) Where are the hottest places to live if you have a child in elementary school?</b><br /> <br /><i>Parents are flocking to 10 small towns around the country, all located on the outer rings of larger cities, to raise their children. But it's not the low crime rates, big backyards and white picket fences that bring them here, it's the schools. <br /><br />Parents want to raise their children in these school districts, as evidenced by the high proportion of school-age kids to pre-school age kids.<br /><br />Trulia found that the places on this list coincidentally have nearly perfect ratings at GreatSchools.org, which rates schools by how well their students perform on standardized tests. Hoboken's schools, on the other hand, average only a 2 or 3 on the site. <br /><br />In addition to all of these places having high-quality schools, they shared other attributes, Kolko said.<br /> <br />"People look for more spread-out, not-as-dense areas," Kolko said. "People also look for more affordable neighborhoods, where they can get their own yard and their kids can have their own bedroom."<br /> <br />That's not to say these places are cheap, but they are places where your dollar stretches farther.<br /> <br />"Generally speaking, more attractive districts are more expensive; less expensive ones involve a longer commute," Kolko said. "For some parents, in a bigger city, it boils down to a choice between their kids' school and their commute."<br /> <br />The parents in these communities seem to be picking schools over commute--the suburbs average 40 miles outside the closest urban center.</i><br /><br />Here are the Top 10. I took the price per square foot for each of these areas and multiplied it by 2,000 sqft house:<br /><br />Rank, Housing Cost, State, Great Schools Rating<br /><br />10 - $520,000 NJ - 9<br />09 - $408,000 CT - 10<br />08 - $504,000 NJ - 8<br />07 - $1,298,000 CA - 10<br />06 - $516,000 CT - 10<br />05 - $1,072,000 CA - 10<br />04 - $554,000 IL - 10<br />03 - $644,000 NY - 9<br />02 - $184,000 TX - 10<br />01 - $1,206,000 CA - 10Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-37275451421641818712013-08-17T09:25:04.337-04:002013-08-17T09:25:04.337-04:00Anon 1:22
To say 46 other states as paying "...Anon 1:22<br /><br />To say 46 other states as paying "much higher salaries", you need to define what much higher is.<br /><br />The median teacher salary in 2011/2012 according to the NEA was $55,418 and North Carolina's was $45,947 for a difference of $9,471.<br /><br />Let's put that difference into perspective. The 15th state up the list from NC which ranks 31st is Arizona. The difference in salary is only #2,744 per year. Yes, it is more but not MUCH more.<br /><br />Also, the higher up the list you go, many of those states have higher costs of living. California ranks #5 in teacher pay. The difference between California and NC is $22,584. Yes, that is a much bigger difference, but that difference will be eaten up by what it costs to live in California.<br /><br />According to Payscale.com, the overall cost of living in NYC versus Charlotte is -58% lower in Charlotte.<br /><br />In Los Angeles it is -28% lower.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-67758701082130142402013-08-17T07:47:29.652-04:002013-08-17T07:47:29.652-04:00Do you know that if a principal or downtown staffe...Do you know that if a principal or downtown staffer didn't show up to work, teachers could still do their job? If CMS wants to get serious about education, just look at the front line where it's all happening. Get rid of all that fat cream on top.jamienoreply@blogger.com