tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post2127971103605338585..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Do charters play on a level field?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87976372472666734372014-05-26T07:46:19.103-04:002014-05-26T07:46:19.103-04:0012:03...Financial discrepancies are not unique, an...12:03...Financial discrepancies are not unique, and will only become more widespread now that the cap is removed in NC and charters continue to push for less regulations.<br /><br />A new report released a couple of weeks ago details what happens when charters lack adequate oversight: http://integrityineducation.org/charter-fraud/<br /><br />With our current legislature and political climate in NC, you can bet your sweet bippy that charter operators are licking their chops.<br /><br />And as one reader commented on the "success" of New Orleans, which is nearly all charter schools...what he didn't mention was that district is under investigation for doctoring their numbers. Stay tuned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-25637142197185018242014-05-24T07:43:17.522-04:002014-05-24T07:43:17.522-04:00Maybe parents are looking at Charter school option...Maybe parents are looking at Charter school options for their children because they are looking for an improved social and behavioral environment, and not necessarily for the academics. Who can fault parents for wanting that? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-82611927472585415572014-05-23T18:00:43.595-04:002014-05-23T18:00:43.595-04:00Larry,
"And please stop using me as the bad ...Larry,<br /><br />"And please stop using me as the bad guy in your dramas. Lack of results in CMS is the bad guy here."<br /><br />Got your back, bro'...<br /><br />We can tag-team being the "bad guy". <br /><br />I'll wear the mask, though.<br /><br />Wiley can be the "manager" who occasionally hits the good guys over the head with a chair when they're outside the ring.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77608964927947097772014-05-23T14:56:51.432-04:002014-05-23T14:56:51.432-04:00There are not too many choices inside the Charter ...There are not too many choices inside the Charter schools unless one is part of the board, not even teacher choices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-9743038165892731292014-05-23T13:10:16.124-04:002014-05-23T13:10:16.124-04:00My this is local depository for any bad news about...My this is local depository for any bad news about Charter Schools. <br /><br />How about some extraordinary news about Charter Schools. <br /><br />51 percent of students in Detroit attend Charter Schools.<br /><br />Close to 100 percent of students in New Orleans attend Charter Schools. They started changing the system after Katrina. <br /><br />And the results have been better than the old systems were. <br /><br />Now do we need to discuss the race ratios and the like are are we going to just accept the fact, Parents want what is best for their Children, no matter what.<br /><br />And if they want the best, then why are our Elected Officials, Media, Teachers, Teachers Groups, Administrators and just about every body else, not allowing them to have the choices? <br /><br />If you can do it better, then show us by making CMS and the like actually start working. <br /><br />And please stop using me as the bad guy in your dramas. Lack of results in CMS is the bad guy here.<br /><br />We need to focus on that, if we are to fix it.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-86530802696689824462014-05-23T09:11:57.887-04:002014-05-23T09:11:57.887-04:00Anon 7:55pm.
I think choosing a good, or best sch...Anon 7:55pm.<br /><br />I think choosing a good, or best school is a good topic and think we really don't have a lot of good sources.<br /><br />Again with Greatschools as a source...(at least it's better than nothing).<br /><br />Check out Carolina International School "comments" from 2 reviewers, since someone mentioned that school in a negative light:<br /><br />1. They do not differentiate with students (- submitted by a teacher)<br /><br />2. This school embraces each student to enable them to reach their full potential. (- submitted by a parent).<br /><br />----------<br /><br />So how to decide between them in picking a utopian school? <br /><br /> Could one be a disgruntled ex-teacher, while the other is a parent who helped kick out that same teacher?<br /><br />Different grades, different classes, different anything else?<br /><br />We'll never know.<br /><br />And other opinions seem to be very polarized with this school, so something's not right.<br /><br />Even the objective facts on the school aren't that helpful, either.<br /><br />On the one hand, their test scores look good, but they've apparently fired a lot of teachers, so who knows if that will continue.<br /><br />Personally, though, I'd probably avoid the school since it looks like too much "drama" at this time. <br /><br />And only an insider would know for sure what's happening there, but may be biased.<br /><br />(About the only thing I could rely on is basic demographics and any test score information they have.)<br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-90850860694420967542014-05-23T08:43:58.803-04:002014-05-23T08:43:58.803-04:00Anon 7:55pm
I pretty much agree with you on the j...Anon 7:55pm<br /><br />I pretty much agree with you on the job of parents, but you can find bad reviews on just about everything.<br /><br />Since I'm in the process of looking for schools for our kids, I'm also wary of anecdotal "evidence" about schools (just as I am on everything else).<br /><br />You can always find a few disgruntled customers for just about everything.<br /><br />Sometimes it's the customer who is the problem, though.<br /><br />I'd tend to trust an official health report over one or two people saying they saw a roach in a restaurant, though.<br /><br />Because those people could be disgruntled ex-employees looking to mess with their former bosses.<br /><br />We are facing the prospects of a move, and believe me, it's tough to trust half the things you read or hear about anything, anywhere.<br /><br />And I'm an ardent follower of things like Consumers Report and Angie's List and ALWAYS research our options.<br /><br />A lot of time "official" sources don't want to take the risk of getting sued for saying anything bad, so only say good things about a product or service.<br /><br />And unfiltered "opinion" isn't always accurate, either.<br /><br />You can see that in the various unscientific CMS parent/teacher/student "polls".<br /><br />But sometimes even the "competition" has been known to post bad reviews on services and products.<br /><br />And people lie on surveys. <br /><br />Even on surveys which are designed correctly from a sampling and "scientific" standpoint.<br /><br />And if you were to ask who makes the best BBQ, Hamburger, or Pizza you'd start a fight with many people.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-78763408677830206472014-05-23T00:03:57.320-04:002014-05-23T00:03:57.320-04:00and frankly Larry, I am not too impressed with th...and frankly Larry, I am not too impressed with the two charters in my region, Carolina International and Cabarrus Charter. Cabarrus Charter's principle just abruptly quit, she didn't even last one year, yet not a word from the school or media, they now have a principle in training. Rumor has it she was forced out by angry parents with too much power. This school boasts about the wait list, but they fail to note of 633 students enrolled over 100 have withdrawn and many teachers have been either fired or resigned in the middle of the school year. Carolina International recently dismissed their principle over the holidays after more than 24 teachers left during a 1 1 /2 period. Plus a few years ago the treasurer at carolina made off with $137K., the school spent over $600 K to stay out of legal trouble. Also, Carolina International is being outperformed by the local traditional public high schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-34544255797468061242014-05-22T23:51:01.853-04:002014-05-22T23:51:01.853-04:00Larry,
Anne is not hammering on Charter schools, I...Larry,<br />Anne is not hammering on Charter schools, I think she is very fair and balanced in her reporting.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-67572566304935056602014-05-22T19:55:29.954-04:002014-05-22T19:55:29.954-04:00Sorry Shamash, didn't mean to be harsh on you....Sorry Shamash, didn't mean to be harsh on you. But if I won't let my children eat at a place rumored to have roaches and unclean cooks, how am I going to trust a place that will have them 35-40 hours a week and that "place" is supposed to mold and nurture their brains with the worlds information. I want an utopic atmosphere and I will make sure that they get this utopic atmosphere as best I can, it is my job, my duty since the moment they were born. <br /><br />So, I don't care if the playing field is fare, it is not my problem and the problem is extraordinarily to big for little me. My job is to make sure society gets a well mannered, well educated adult at 18 years of age. That is all I can do and if other parents don't feel the same, I don't want my child around that attitude. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85556786527085874942014-05-22T19:40:26.911-04:002014-05-22T19:40:26.911-04:00Relax Larry, Ann is not bashing charters. They are...Relax Larry, Ann is not bashing charters. They are just all the rage down here. We have had charters up north for a long time. Some are good and some are awful. They are not a magic bullet. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-23520002060365882232014-05-22T16:22:21.014-04:002014-05-22T16:22:21.014-04:008:36 Ann is doing all the hammering she can, but ...8:36 Ann is doing all the hammering she can, but the new Charters keep popping up faster than she can get the coffin closed on one. <br /><br />And I am sorry you do not agree with the posts above you. And find it necessary to denigrate others for their opinions.<br /><br />Maybe the problem is not the posts. But like I said earlier, that sure escalated quickly. <br /> Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-37453955377577954062014-05-22T16:08:25.790-04:002014-05-22T16:08:25.790-04:00Anon 1:33pm.
"So stop analysis this to death...Anon 1:33pm.<br /><br />"So stop analysis this to death with your non-stop opinions."<br /><br />So I guess that means I don't get 5 stars?<br /><br />Darn.<br /><br />(P.S., y'all. Don't worry, I'll be gone soon enough...as all good things must come to an end.<br /><br />Hopefully before the next school year. <br /><br />But I may drop in on occasion to torment a few folks.)Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-10719198157164959372014-05-22T13:52:30.403-04:002014-05-22T13:52:30.403-04:00the reason why race became injected into this disc...the reason why race became injected into this discussion is because it plays a role in both charters and traditional public schools. While there are a few exceptions, if you look at the successful schools in this region, whether charter or not, they share a common theme, in that most of the children who attend those schools are white or not African American. <br /><br />while traditional public schools have no control over who attends, charters do have ways to influence the type of students/families who attend them. When you can use a selective method to eliminate certain demographics, you increase the likelyhood of being a successful school. While it is true that charter lottery applications do not ask the race of a child, they are able to influence the race of those applying by procedure. For example, most charters require parental involvement, it is required or your child will not be allowed to attend. The amount of time required to give per year ranges from 10 to 20 hours per student per year. Secondly, since most charter schools do not offer transportation, they are able to build the school in a location that inhibits many from even considering the option and that is assuming they even find out about the school in the first place.<br /><br />Since most of us can agree that a child who has involved parents, no matter the race, that child is probably going to be more successful student than a child who does not have involved parents. As such, Charters have an advantage when they can mandate parental involvement at those schools.<br /><br />are charters and traditional school playing on a level playing field, doubtful. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-75742316407513504792014-05-22T13:33:06.445-04:002014-05-22T13:33:06.445-04:00Shamash, I didn't know you wrote the story as ...Shamash, I didn't know you wrote the story as I had asked the "writer" to tell me what she would do if her home CMS school had these kind of reviews (referring to Ridge Road Middle). I did not ask for your opinion but you seem to think your opinion trumps everyone else including the writer. That review alone says a million things about CMS and the climate of CMS. <br /><br />So I will take another quote that pretty much sums it up better from Bolyn McClung "It isn’t about comparing District and Charter schools on money or education. It is about whom a parent trusts to better nurture their child. You can write until your fingers fall-off about quantitative differences; it won’t make a difference. It is about the trust differences between District and Charter schools." <br />Compare it to a 3 star restaurant, (which if Greatschools.com is giving a school a rating of 6 is pretty comparable), I would eat at a 3 star restaurant but one or two reviews said there were roaches and rats and the cooks may not wash their hands, I don't care how many good reviews are attached there is no way I am sending my precious children to eat at that restaurant. So stop analysis this to death with your non-stop opinions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-62833672608981493072014-05-22T12:02:04.363-04:002014-05-22T12:02:04.363-04:008:22 "Old school" is the only way. We h...8:22 "Old school" is the only way. We have lowered our standards to accommodate (or not offend) so many groups of people, and for what? Our standards have been lowered at home, in our families, at school, on the job. The "new" way isn't helping anyone. <br /><br />I wonder if there are any "old school" proponents left in CMS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-877527749644983832014-05-22T08:54:49.328-04:002014-05-22T08:54:49.328-04:00Anon 8:07pm.
"How does this change the playi...Anon 8:07pm.<br /><br />"How does this change the playing field, this one comment? It changes it drastically for many reasons. "<br /><br />Greatschools has some good information, but the anecdotes posted by "parents" (or whomever) are probably worthless (or at least should be taken with several grains of salt).<br /><br />It's interesting to me that the two really bad comments are from parents who appear to be less "literate" than the positive comments.<br /><br />How this just happened is now known, but it could be that someone else is planting the positive comments, or maybe it's just that the less educated parents have kids who are getting a worse deal at this particular school.<br /><br />We'll never know for sure based on those comments, though.<br /><br />The test scores are above state average, though (for what that's worth).<br /><br />But there are no test results that can tell you how the kids are behaving (or the school "culture"), which seems to be the biggest concern of the two negative commenters.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-13415664889346873702014-05-22T08:22:18.069-04:002014-05-22T08:22:18.069-04:00If our population drop's, problems will only g...If our population drop's, problems will only get worse. The answer is not to curtail population. The answer is to stand up to the things that attack the family. Look at the family statics of the GREAT GENERATION. Look at the current statistics. I am a relatively young man. My parents where much older then my contemporaries. I as a child, I hated some of the "old school" ways. Now I love them. I thank god for them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85570196141764724272014-05-22T07:59:24.761-04:002014-05-22T07:59:24.761-04:00Wiley,
"I read the article and it really doe...Wiley,<br /><br />"I read the article and it really doesn't confirm or dispel the statistics, again statistics, that I posted."<br /><br />Well, I was posting that just to show how the "other side" counters arguments about broken homes being a problem.<br /><br />Not that I necessarily agree with his "research" as much to show what passes for "research" by someone who now has more than a little clout in Washington, DC, and the ears of many lawmakers through his association with both HSBC's and the Congressional Black Caucus.<br /><br />He's their "go to" guy when it comes to problems with minority education.<br /><br />So between HIM and the rest of us, you KNOW who's going to get heard.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-80608956225760867132014-05-21T21:27:30.427-04:002014-05-21T21:27:30.427-04:00Shamash,
I read the article and it really doesn&#...Shamash,<br /><br />I read the article and it really doesn't confirm or dispel the statistics, again statistics, that I posted.<br /><br />Single Black households, single Black mothers, increase in poverty and poverty rates have gone hand in hand since the War on Poverty began.<br /><br />My comment posts two different studies conducted plus info from the CDC.<br /><br />Whether or not Auntie or Grandma is raising their white relative or their black relative is just another bullet point added to the basic issue of kids being brought into this world in the first place.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-90494547568842493492014-05-21T20:46:20.760-04:002014-05-21T20:46:20.760-04:00Race has nothing to do with this. Ann, Have you re...Race has nothing to do with this. Ann, Have you requested and prepared the data that I required? All I see is about 30 more whines and no data so no outcome. You cannot move forward or upward in life without the data or hard work. Ask the tough question Ann I gave you the formula and solution in the first comment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-22501758635697738512014-05-21T20:07:56.218-04:002014-05-21T20:07:56.218-04:00A previous poster commented that Charter School pa...A previous poster commented that Charter School parents post more on greatschools.com then public school parents, does this change the playing field? Or does this comment from Ridge Road Middle on Greatschools (which serves the community that so many children are rushing out of and going into charters):<br /><br /><br />Posted April 19, 2014 <br /><br />"I hate this school the bullying is bad and all the kids think about is there shoe game.Warning if you child doesnt have good shoes like lebrons, jordans, kds or kobes you child will get picked on it has changes so much i had the buy my child 300 pair of shoes so he wont get picked on. i volunteered to that school and i see kids twerking, kissing, and all. If you are a caucasian parent turn around and look for another school." <br />—Submitted by a parent<br /><br /><br />How does this change the playing field, this one comment? It changes it drastically for many reasons. This school has almost 50% on free lunches (but they are buying $300 shoes). It is that kind of mentality that educated, caring parents, parents who want the best for their children, with aspirations to go to a stellar college, a fabulous job post collage and have their own wonderful family later in life; run as far away from CMS as they can, desperately running away.<br /><br />So you tell us writer, what would you do as a parent who's home school has these kind of reviews??<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-56842218397557641382014-05-21T19:17:05.394-04:002014-05-21T19:17:05.394-04:00I don't really care if we have charters or not...I don't really care if we have charters or not. I do not think that they will make a difference. The problem in education is not schools, teachers or even administration. Don't get me wrong, the giant county districts are weird. They have a large unnecessary bureaucracy. Government in anything is a mistake. Keep the feds out. The real problem is work ethic. America has lost the "eye of the tiger". American homes are broken. One mom and one dad is an anomaly and not the norm. Schools are a symptom of the problem. They are not the cause. We just don't want to face the truth. Isn't New Orleans all charters? Are they a top institution's of learning? Are people moving to New Orleans because they are a beacon of education? I'll stick with my local school and try to keep my kids of the video games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-17853936312942237282014-05-21T18:46:30.899-04:002014-05-21T18:46:30.899-04:00So you want government to pass a law ending sports...So you want government to pass a law ending sports for the social good. Is that not socialism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-67487402285303695822014-05-21T16:14:57.756-04:002014-05-21T16:14:57.756-04:008:57 you are correct. I know too many kids from &q...8:57 you are correct. I know too many kids from "good" families at the "good" schools that are total screw ups. I would say mostly due to the parents giving kids too much leniency and freedom (and wanting their kids to be cool and popular) and the kids trying to be cool and keep up with their peers. Education at the suburban schools has become a joke too, just maybe for different reasons than the urban schools. <br /><br />Still no news about the AK Instagram porn and rampant drug use, but hearing a lot about the Hough high cyber-bullying. News alert, the cyber-bullying is happening at every local school, CMS officials are just keeping the info under wraps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com