tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post3870426679204764009..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Grading N.C. schools: House wants to change curveUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-51786294904515023982014-06-18T09:15:00.713-04:002014-06-18T09:15:00.713-04:009:29 AM, here's an article which specifically ...9:29 AM, here's an article which specifically addresses your question if outliers (though EVAAS' developer prefers not to use that term):<br /><br />http://vamboozled.com/tennessees-tvaas-now-evaas-developer-w-l-sanders-on-his-vam/<br /><br />"Sanders claims that the model’s “formula adjusts for one-offs,” again contrary to what continues to emerge in the research. The statistics, unfortunately, do not work like a pure statistician would (still) hope."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-76530314207220993022014-06-16T16:55:54.746-04:002014-06-16T16:55:54.746-04:00Ready Fire Aim
This describes anyone working for ...Ready Fire Aim<br /><br />This describes anyone working for CMeS. It is a black hole of wasted money and "market adjustments". Just move the chairs around and dumb everything down. Over and over again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-62608064792180556662014-06-16T15:38:35.508-04:002014-06-16T15:38:35.508-04:00Hmmm...so let me get this straight. CMS kids are ...Hmmm...so let me get this straight. CMS kids are graded on a 7 point scale, but schools get to be graded on a 10-15 point scale? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-11640099286753968382014-06-14T09:29:06.079-04:002014-06-14T09:29:06.079-04:00I'm a teacher trying to understand EVAAS. Does...I'm a teacher trying to understand EVAAS. Does anyone know if there is a control for outliers? Hypothetically, in a class of 20 students...if every kid moved up in the normal curve by 5 percentile points...that would be great exceeded growth. But if only 1 kid in the class misbubbled, and went from the 99th percentile to the 1st...would that drop in 100 points negate all the growth of the other kids? Or vice-versa, if a bad teacher had all kids drop 5 percentiles, except one kid who got on meds mid year and therefore had a gain of 60+ percentile points...is there a weighted control for outliers? Any ideas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-80285764971119654422014-06-12T16:00:53.975-04:002014-06-12T16:00:53.975-04:00Why can't this state have a pay plan for teach...Why can't this state have a pay plan for teachers? All states have pay plans. Doesn't anyone else find this to be weird? People keep saying raise but isn't it just a normal plan? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-84712308346560142172014-06-12T15:45:40.419-04:002014-06-12T15:45:40.419-04:00This is a state issue, not CMS. Strange NC...This is a state issue, not CMS. Strange NC...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-71191362126363201102014-06-12T14:35:07.043-04:002014-06-12T14:35:07.043-04:00why should any of the parents be surprised, CMS is...why should any of the parents be surprised, CMS is just an education factory. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87728571725631873072014-06-12T14:19:47.724-04:002014-06-12T14:19:47.724-04:0011:26 Thank you, but I have been in the CMs syste...11:26 Thank you, but I have been in the CMs system for quite a few years and know it well. If your child is an average or below student, they will struggle unless a particular teacher takes them under their wing. Unless your child is a high performer or special needs student, they will not receive all the services they should to succeed. Thankfully I am able to pay a lot of money for tutoring, and work with all of my kids at night to ensure they don't fall through the cracks. That's sad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3396587282875095372014-06-11T22:49:07.643-04:002014-06-11T22:49:07.643-04:00Trust me, if the state's curve matches the gig...Trust me, if the state's curve matches the gigantic curve given on all NC Final exams then every school in this state will be rated SUPERIOR!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3255769674882959332014-06-11T21:04:59.020-04:002014-06-11T21:04:59.020-04:007:04/3:44, that's not quite the way I read it,...7:04/3:44, that's not quite the way I read it, but there are some caveats: "If a school has met expected growth and inclusion of the school's growth score reduces the school's performance score and grade, a school may choose to use the school achievement score solely to calculate the performance score and grade." I read that as saying a high pass rate could be dragged down by low growth (quite a bit, if they settle on 80 percent growth), but if your pass rate is better than your growth/achievement combined score you can take the achievement alone, so long as growth is expected or higher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-84778407236659123722014-06-11T19:04:01.999-04:002014-06-11T19:04:01.999-04:00The only scenario where growth is counted is IF an...The only scenario where growth is counted is IF and only IF a school scores BELOW a certain percentage. If a school is within a "passing range", then GROWTH is not factored in. This could be interesting if, say, a school earns a D and growth doesn't count, but another school earns and F and then with the 20% factored as growth, goes up to a C. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-24462997881258635792014-06-11T18:32:19.957-04:002014-06-11T18:32:19.957-04:00So teachers get a little raise. Some, very little....So teachers get a little raise. Some, very little. The bureaucrats get what they want and business as usual. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-69450096937720433682014-06-11T15:59:28.573-04:002014-06-11T15:59:28.573-04:003:44, can you explain? I'm eager to correct if...3:44, can you explain? I'm eager to correct if something is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-53634054152982642842014-06-11T15:44:34.238-04:002014-06-11T15:44:34.238-04:00Dear Ann,
It would be helpful if your summary of ...Dear Ann,<br /><br />It would be helpful if your summary of how the scores are calculated was accurate. It is not.<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46712732921851331352014-06-11T11:26:59.940-04:002014-06-11T11:26:59.940-04:00to Anonymous 8:58,
not sure what school system you...to Anonymous 8:58,<br />not sure what school system your child attends, but I can assure you that has not been the case where my children attend school (Kannapolis City Schools). As a matter of fact, our schools have bent over backwards to meet the needs of all the children who may need extra help. From teachers who have tutored after school or after school programs designed to help children who are struggling with reading.<br /> <br />not all school systems are the same, please keep that in mind when making such comments, thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-71230403127711155112014-06-11T08:58:43.735-04:002014-06-11T08:58:43.735-04:00and if you try to get your child special services ...and if you try to get your child special services because they desperately need it, the school will find any way to keep your child from receiving those services if they show even the slightest growth during the school year. Ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com