tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post4124294932749951667..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Report: NC charter schools don't get fair shareUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-48668268491290354892014-05-16T14:51:30.278-04:002014-05-16T14:51:30.278-04:00Here, Larry.
http://nycpublicschoolparents.blog...Here, Larry. <br /><br />http://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2014/05/six-charter-school-myths-my-testimony.html?spref=tw<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-30459312178422429222014-05-06T06:44:08.771-04:002014-05-06T06:44:08.771-04:009:13 Strange you only have problems with Charter S...9:13 Strange you only have problems with Charter Schools.<br /><br />Pray tell us of your feelings for CMS? <br /><br />And note I did not challenge what you said about Charter Schools.<br /><br />You apparently have no idea, or do not care, as to why Charters are not like CMS and the like. Or why they have different rules for operation. <br /><br />And it seems you have not even bothered to read the comments, and story above, which has provided so much background to the whole situation.<br /><br />Finally and have you heard of a bad CMS school closing and the observer doing several stories on it?<br /><br />So rest better knowing that Charters have more oversight, media attention, and public scrutiny than you might have dreamed they could have. <br /> Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-18731693973418593502014-05-05T21:13:26.223-04:002014-05-05T21:13:26.223-04:00I didn't have a problem with charter schools w...I didn't have a problem with charter schools when the state capped them at 100. <br /><br />But then the state legislature removed the cap, Senate Bill 337 passed (removing certification requirements, removing background checks), allowing rent of vacant public buildings for one dollar per year, the attempt to form their own governing board with hand-picked appointees, attempting to remove transparency by not allow salaries to be public record, etc... I'm sure I'm forgetting something. <br /><br />In effect, creating a predatory breeding ground and the potential for fly-by-night charter operators. Folks, when you see hedge fund managers interested in charter schools, there's your red flag. Remember, there is no such thing as a non-profit charter school. There are eleven charter schools set to open in the Charlotte area next year alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-65414236354305713952014-05-05T16:05:34.088-04:002014-05-05T16:05:34.088-04:00So an anonymous commenter thinks charter schools &...So an anonymous commenter thinks charter schools "hand pick their clientele". Proof again that the masses have little to no idea how charter schools work. Parents pick the charter school for their children, not the other way around. But now that readers have seen that comment in print, even more will believe that lie.Dennisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-82417890593804735232014-05-04T09:30:00.043-04:002014-05-04T09:30:00.043-04:00I love my kids school. I don't like how many o...I love my kids school. I don't like how many of the teachers are talking about leaving. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-4561892456892768262014-05-04T09:24:55.131-04:002014-05-04T09:24:55.131-04:00The federal government has never fully funded SPED...The federal government has never fully funded SPED services. States have to pay to comply with the law. Another underfunded federal mandate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-86533635238081302452014-05-03T14:15:19.116-04:002014-05-03T14:15:19.116-04:00Anon 10:19am.
"Pay now or pay later."
...Anon 10:19am.<br /><br />"Pay now or pay later."<br /><br />I don't think this is an either/or proposition.<br /><br />Most likely we will end up paying now AND paying later.<br /><br />I'd like to see schools get out of social services, though and put that in a separate budget.<br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-28670522023261001742014-05-03T10:19:43.997-04:002014-05-03T10:19:43.997-04:00In response to Wiley and Shamash about my comment ...In response to Wiley and Shamash about my comment of not addressing the social ills of children who have parents that just don't care.\<br /><br />Price tag may be cheaper at first but when you have to include social workers, and behavioral specialists, and extra teachers to contain them it won't be cheaper. And those who are inadequate parents seem to have the most children. Free deliveries should include free parenting classes. Pay now or pay later.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-69669127763943883022014-05-02T22:27:13.134-04:002014-05-02T22:27:13.134-04:00Anon 4:51 pm.
OK, I'm looking at the schools ...Anon 4:51 pm.<br /><br />OK, I'm looking at the schools in greatschools. First I checked Lake Norman Charter and Lake Norman Elementary (public).<br /><br />Lake Norman Charter is SLIGHTLY MORE diverse with only 79% white vs. 82% white for the public school.<br /><br />The only grade these schools have in common is fifth grade and the test scores are similar.<br /><br />Not quite sure what dots you want me to connect here. <br /><br />Could you be more specific about what I'm supposed to be seeing?Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-64169790914198710552014-05-02T20:28:46.470-04:002014-05-02T20:28:46.470-04:004:27 Oh you must think Buses, Special Ed and Build...4:27 Oh you must think Buses, Special Ed and Buildings are in the calculations between Charters getting about 2 thousand per student less than CMS students for example.<br /><br />I often wonder why folks do not take some time to know what is being reported.<br /><br />The buses are supplied by the State in a different budget. Special Ed gets Federal funding and of course we all know those billions in bonds outstanding to cover the buildings.<br /><br />Charter schools gets only Federal help for Special Ed and they have to provide their own buses if they have them. And of course we all know they have to build their own buildings. <br /><br />So I hope this helps your understanding of just what you are seeing as a per pupil amount just to have a child in a seat, in either CMS etc. or a Charter Schools.<br /><br />As you can see Charter Schools are a great savings to tax payers and a great resource for education. <br /> Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-18418524723024795762014-05-02T18:43:58.124-04:002014-05-02T18:43:58.124-04:00Anon 4:51pm.
And again, I'll say that you get...Anon 4:51pm.<br /><br />And again, I'll say that you get similar results in traditional public schools with the same demographics (but apparently with a lower price tag).<br /><br />(I'll check out the list you gave me, but I know it's easy to find a few examples of success or failure out of them all.)<br /><br />I don't believe it's the schools (especially "type" of public school) which matter the most in education anyway.<br /><br />Or even the amount of money spent on "education".<br /><br />It's the kids and parents, primarily, with teachers being third.<br /><br />Location of schools play an important factor in the success of traditional public schools as well. That's why some people choose certain neighborhoods. <br /> <br />It's why we chose to buy a place in Ballantyne.<br /><br />You can look up Ardrey Kell and other Ballantyne-area schools and see this as well.<br /><br />So what's the big deal if Charters do the same?<br /><br />They have to put their schools SOMEWHERE.<br /><br />As far as closing schools, I think that might not be such a bad idea for a failing traditional school, too.<br /><br />After all, what's good for the goose is supposed to be good for the gander. <br /><br />If they can close bad Charter schools for black kids, then what does that say about NOT closing the bad traditional schools for black kids? <br /><br />Why do they get a pass?<br /><br />Isn't a bad school STILL a bad school?<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-88901695254917110072014-05-02T16:51:16.766-04:002014-05-02T16:51:16.766-04:00Shamash,
I believe the one writer was referring to...Shamash,<br />I believe the one writer was referring to the "successsful" charters schools when referring to how those charters use certain methods to eliminate poor and minority children from attending. Location of the school plays a big factor and then not providing transportation, very effective.<br /><br />Do you remember the old saying, "seeing is believing"?<br /><br />Go to youtube and type in Cabarrus Charter Academy, there is a video posted by a parent , Carter's 2nd grade Christmas performance. Then type in langtree Charter Academy, there are 6 videos, each a full class (approx 23 students), each class is singing the "long legged Sailor'. What did you notice about each of these schools? Niether of thse schools has reported their student body population diversity since they just opened last fall.<br /><br />If you need more evidence, go to greatschools.org and look up the following schools, and you will see the numbers for yourself. lake Norman Charter, PineLake Prep, Union Academy, Davidson Community School. <br /><br />for comparison, look at Carolina International School and Queen's grant, both are diverse charter school, about 67% of the kids are white, but neither appear to be especially good with regards to academics. Both are far below the state average in math and langauge arts.<br />The fact is, the most succesful charters in this region share one common thread, they serve a predominately white student body. Clearly, there are many charter schools that serve a predominately black student body and most of those schools are at the bottom with regards to academic performance. Many end up being closed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85631916333585876922014-05-02T16:27:20.258-04:002014-05-02T16:27:20.258-04:00A lot of the cost is big yellow busses, special e...A lot of the cost is big yellow busses, special education, and buildings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-29475211463997742942014-05-02T16:22:10.887-04:002014-05-02T16:22:10.887-04:00Harris does, Mcory and Tillis want to blame teache...Harris does, Mcory and Tillis want to blame teachers.. Its the easy way out..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-62693374873441539912014-05-02T09:42:14.032-04:002014-05-02T09:42:14.032-04:00My children are doing fantastic in their tradition...My children are doing fantastic in their traditional public schools, the education my children have received has been first class. As a parent, I have noticed the relationship between succesful students and those that are average or who struggling, PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT! The reality is this, there is no true substitute for a caring, educated and involved parent. Also, there is a direct relationship between the loss of family values in this country and no one wants to admit it or do antying about it, they just want to blame someone else. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-64957123854210064472014-05-02T09:09:56.696-04:002014-05-02T09:09:56.696-04:00Sadly, this article never got face time on the Cha...Sadly, this article never got face time on the CharlotteObserver.com site, nor in the Charlotte Observer.<br /><br />I guess the Duke protests, and obamacare sign up thing was just more important, and no space for a story like this one, finally showing what Charter School face.<br /><br />Oh and I even called Rick Thames and asked him to see if he could find some space for the story on both the site and in the Observer. <br /><br />He said he would, but sadly, I guess he was not able to find the space.<br /> Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-45880071209612144512014-05-02T08:11:32.837-04:002014-05-02T08:11:32.837-04:00" Looking at the data, if demographics are th..." Looking at the data, if demographics are the same, charters performance is about the same. "<br /><br />That's a good point. <br /><br />I've often said that it is the students and parents who make the difference, NOT the schools and administrators. <br /><br />Teachers, of course, get some credit, but not all, and shouldn't be evaluated on the "performance" of their students because of all the externalities (like parents and just "caring" about school).<br /><br />Move all the students and parents from one school to another (or switch "staff") and results won't change much.<br /><br />A few teachers and proper facilities (like science labs) might make a difference at a certain level, but that's probably about it.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16883873527552930892014-05-02T08:03:03.255-04:002014-05-02T08:03:03.255-04:00Anon 7:42pm.
"The product seems to be the sa...Anon 7:42pm.<br /><br />"The product seems to be the same. "<br /><br />Except one costs less than the other.<br /><br />So, considering this, which is the better choice?<br /><br />I like Costco, too. I've been a member for many years.<br /><br />But if I find the same product cheaper at the Walmart (or the Harris Teeter, for that matter)near my home, guess where I buy it?Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-69460419938824312612014-05-02T07:58:05.046-04:002014-05-02T07:58:05.046-04:00"Once all schools become charters, they will ..."Once all schools become charters, they will become like the public schools. "<br /><br />Maybe someone will build "reform" Charter schools for those kids and parents who do not care.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16161881992388312592014-05-01T21:55:30.767-04:002014-05-01T21:55:30.767-04:00Did y'all read the CMS teacher that got fired ...Did y'all read the CMS teacher that got fired for slapping a little punk for not behaving during a bomb threat? Fired!!! After 20 years of service. NC is a BS state. Teachers can't win hear. That teacher had career statues and still was fired. Mmmmmm Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63214054298136745862014-05-01T19:59:36.334-04:002014-05-01T19:59:36.334-04:00Your right... Skin in the game.Your right... Skin in the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-82786223229561223402014-05-01T19:42:01.645-04:002014-05-01T19:42:01.645-04:00I am all for whatever but only 1/4 charters are su...I am all for whatever but only 1/4 charters are successful. Looking at the data, if demographics are the same, charters performance is about the same. I am all for trying different things but why all the craze? If people want to do it, let them. If people want public schools, go.. The product seems to be the same. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-20598298903584864772014-05-01T19:32:49.449-04:002014-05-01T19:32:49.449-04:00Wal Mart is very often given large tax breaks that...Wal Mart is very often given large tax breaks that local venders are not given. Wal Mart employees are also subsidized by welfare in many states. We pay for their low wages. I prefer Costco anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-72324770825545540512014-05-01T19:25:56.488-04:002014-05-01T19:25:56.488-04:00They have students with special needs in the chart...They have students with special needs in the charter schools but a local public school usually provides the services and paper work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-64400524737887938852014-05-01T19:23:18.192-04:002014-05-01T19:23:18.192-04:00Why? Because we are still not addressing the socia...<i>Why? Because we are still not addressing the social ills of children who have parents that just don't care.</i><br /><br />We, who and what do you believe "we" should do for parents who should have never had kids in the first place if they don't care?Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.com