tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post6273511466029583711..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Steps toward teacher performance payUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-51610960138595057762013-01-14T09:55:27.981-05:002013-01-14T09:55:27.981-05:00Alicia, most of these by these education reformers...Alicia, most of these by these education reformers are PR stunts. Usually it is to appease some group. Predominantly it is so these sponsors can gain position PR for being all noble and such. I have accused many it is just their egos trying to get their "back slapped" on the church steps on Sunday mornings.Missourinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85050333857621790422013-01-14T00:58:49.055-05:002013-01-14T00:58:49.055-05:00WHERE IS THE RESEARCH THAT CONCLUDES PAY-FOR-PERFO...WHERE IS THE RESEARCH THAT CONCLUDES PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE MODELS WORK?<br /><br />The scientific method includes the following: (4th grade stuff)<br /><br />1. Asking a question (check)<br /><br />2. Doing background research (check)<br /><br />3. Constructing a hypothesis (check)<br /><br />4. Testing your hypothesis by doing an experiment (pay-for-performance, forced busing, new math, open classrooms, whole language, strategic staffing, No Child Left Behind, etc..).<br /><br />5. Analyzing your data to draw a conclusion (?)<br /><br />For the past 40 years, it seems to me CMS has been in the business of performing lab rat experiments on students and teachers. Did I miss something or do we never seem to progress past Scientific Method #4 before concluding "expert" hypothesis were wrong?<br /><br />WHERE IS THE DATA TO DRAW THE CONCLUSION THAT PAY-FOR-PERFORMANCE PRACTICES IMPROVE STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT?<br /><br />The road to hell is paved with good (and expert) intentions.<br /><br />Alicia Durand<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-33257596916127845252013-01-11T15:39:08.706-05:002013-01-11T15:39:08.706-05:00If this last of many surveys is used by Heath Door...If this last of many surveys is used by Heath Door to Door Morrison with our BOE, then I am only 100% sure of this:<br /><br />Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics<br /><br />Congrats on Heath lowering the drop out rate however. Way to go BROAD!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-71001594292086142882013-01-11T14:53:03.911-05:002013-01-11T14:53:03.911-05:009:22, I remember it well. CMS (and the CO) squash...9:22, I remember it well. CMS (and the CO) squashed that effort but did set up the Area offices in hoping to satisfy the lack of responsiveness CMS was accused of. Of course the issue was with policies and rarely at the school house level. But the CO did their usual charactrer assassination onthose folks and Rhonda had to learn how to tap dance around all of that.Missourinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-15134485571024692982013-01-11T09:43:51.934-05:002013-01-11T09:43:51.934-05:00Missouri,
So you think their tactic is to strike ...Missouri,<br /><br />So you think their tactic is to strike first with results from their slanted statistics and then let the critics twist in the winds of obscurity after the initial buzz dies down*?<br /><br />Yeah, that would work.<br /><br />Especially since discussions about the details (particularly in our mathophobic society) are seen as wonkish and boring.<br /><br />Putting the "big lie" out there and repeating without responding to critics probably works best.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-25046088188484619132013-01-11T09:28:47.197-05:002013-01-11T09:28:47.197-05:00Anon 5:16...
Don't be so rough on "worki...Anon 5:16...<br /><br />Don't be so rough on "working teacher".<br /><br />Its probably just a typing error.<br /><br />Just like the on you made.<br /><br />I think we all make editing mistakes using this software.<br /><br />And we can't go back and edit, either.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-83685029702556686492013-01-11T09:22:17.150-05:002013-01-11T09:22:17.150-05:00Missouri, not to be political but with having the ...Missouri, not to be political but with having the GOP in charge of the state legislative and executive branches, they might be open to this.<br /><br />If you lived here back in 2005, do you remember the DUMP CMS movement from the people in north Mecklenburg? They wanted to split away from CMS because they rightly felt that the school system under Dr. Pughsley was completely ignoring their needs.<br /><br />The Charlotte Observer predictably came out with an editorial trying to pooh-pooh the idea and that breaking away was not the answer. You know, typical nonsense about community, staying and working together to solve our problems, blah blah blah. The Democrat General ASSembly shot it down. <br /><br />I just hope that our new Governor and General Assembly are more open to the pleas of those who see CMS as a waste of money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-40651857698249850712013-01-11T09:12:57.709-05:002013-01-11T09:12:57.709-05:008:54, many states have taken a stab at that and ha...8:54, many states have taken a stab at that and have done right well. What they do is pass a law that at least 80% (or some number) of the public education funding including all local, state and federal money must be spent at the schoolhouse level. I beleive this legislature is just the vehicle to do that.Missourinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-52526304236792825492013-01-11T09:08:55.270-05:002013-01-11T09:08:55.270-05:00I believe it is a graduate level course or at leas...I believe it is a graduate level course or at least one taught as part of any superintendent's program, like Braod Academy, to learn how to twist and turn data into the story you want told. Thereby if you get your story out first, those that might challenge you might take a week or two to understand the situation themselves since they are not privy to these results coming out and therefore their speeches are mostly ingored by the press and the public.Missourinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-84602163315248403912013-01-11T09:03:05.815-05:002013-01-11T09:03:05.815-05:00Let me just add one more thing: if central planni...Let me just add one more thing: if central planning and bureaucratic micromanagement is so great and effective, the Soviet Union would not only still exist but it would have been an amazing success. How did THAT work out? By that reasoning, North Korea would be a leader and shining example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-67755022019482359492013-01-11T08:54:09.956-05:002013-01-11T08:54:09.956-05:00This is all the more reason to get rid of CMS! It ...This is all the more reason to get rid of CMS! It remains, despite so-called "budget cuts", to be a top-heavy bureaucratic nightmare. Let each school be run indepedently by its principal who is accountable to its own board of directors. The board is made up of parent/community volunteers who are elected. Then, if the principal is the usual career CMS incompetant loser, that person will be removed instead of central office reassigning that deadwood somewhere else. <br /><br />If the state wants to eliminate career status for teachers and have them on a year-to-year basis, so too should the administrators. <br /><br />Keep the existing attendance zones. Have the county take over the busses and then farm it out to a private company to provide bus service for the kids. Parents sign a contract outlining behavior expectations. If students are disruptive on the bus, they are gone. Have the General Assemby pass a law shielding the company, county, and school from the lawsuits from the parents of these heathens - a contract is a contract, sorry.<br /><br />Let each school be run in its own way to meet its unique needs. Think about how much money would be saved by NOT HAVING ALL OF THOSE CENTRAL OFFICE BUREAUCRATS ON THE PAYROLL! We wouldn't need Heath Morrison, Ann Clark, and the zone superintendents. If they are so great, let them apply for principalships. Let the so-called "experts" in central office go back to the classroom (if they ever WERE in one in the first place) and show everyone how it is done.<br /><br />The point I am trying to make is that this whole business of wasting taxpayer money on a skewed survey is proof that CMS is too big, has been too big, and is beyond reform. The people at the top have their own agenda. Sure, they have teachers design the plan but it STILL has to conform to their idea. Just like Henry Ford said, "Let them have any color they like as long as it is black."<br /><br />The people at the top who make the decisions that affect the teachers in the classroom would fail miserably if THEY had to go back to teaching. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-8359728145954208812013-01-11T08:23:26.949-05:002013-01-11T08:23:26.949-05:00The Wiki article on Ecological fallacy has some ni...The Wiki article on Ecological fallacy has some nice examples of how this statistical fallacy can change results.<br /><br />One example of how a NEGATIVE individual correlation turns into a POSITIVE correlation with an average:<br /><br />"Assume that at the individual level, being Protestant impacts negatively one's tendency to commit suicide but the probability that one's neighbor commits suicide increases one's tendency to become Protestant. <br /><br />Then, even if at the individual level there is negative correlation between suicidal tendencies and Protestantism, there can be a positive correlation at the aggregate level."<br /><br />So, yeah, you need to watch those "statistics" carefully...<br /><br />Especially when they're comparing "averages" as they often do to "simplify" their charts and graphs.<br /><br />We all know that "averages" are easier to work with than raw data, so this seems "reasonable" to the layman, but it truly warps the correlations.<br /><br />So there may be a little more than "simplifying" going on with their statistics if they know about this little fallacy.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-56039090871233364982013-01-11T08:16:23.388-05:002013-01-11T08:16:23.388-05:00Jeff,
Excellent example of how to lie with statis...Jeff,<br /><br />Excellent example of how to lie with statistics.<br /><br />Stuff like that really pi$$e$ me off.<br /><br />It's dishonesty in its most devious form, hiding behind something like statistics that they KNOW most people do not understand.<br /><br />Thanks for posting that explanation. <br /><br />In math jargon, I think this is referred to as the "average correlation" vs. "correlation of averages" (if I'm correct) and is something that most novices would certainly miss.<br /><br />But they are entirely different things and can totally change a correlation from positive to negative and vice versa. <br /><br />This is pure sneakiness.<br /><br />In fact, this statistical fallacy has a name:<br /><br />The Ecological Fallacy.<br /><br />From a Wiki article on "ecological correlation":<br /><br />Because a correlation describes the measured strength of a relationship, correlations at the group level can be MUCH HIGHER (my emphasis) than those at the individual level. <br /><br />Thinking both are equal is an example of ecological fallacy.<br /><br />And I agree with you that a statistical "expert" would know EXACTLY what they were doing and how it influences the result toward a HIGHER CORRELATION.<br /><br />It's a keeper.<br /><br />(And if my explanation is in error, please feel free to add or correct...)<br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-34283880782649476882013-01-10T23:19:50.677-05:002013-01-10T23:19:50.677-05:00The honeymoon is officially over. Bolyn said so, t...<br /> The honeymoon is officially over. Bolyn said so, the taxpayers have paid for an Ohio con job. I recommend George C. Scott in "The Flim-Flam Man" next time CMS asks for fence. If this is an example of data retrieval then rent "Brazil." "This is information retrieval not information dispersal." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-55547657339067291872013-01-10T22:19:07.605-05:002013-01-10T22:19:07.605-05:00Oh my goodness !!!!!
Just took the survey. I have...Oh my goodness !!!!!<br /><br />Just took the survey. I have never seen a more poorley worded and obviously skewed survey.<br /><br />It would take a very astute responder to not fill in most answers the WRONG way. Many choices blatantly skewed toward the performance compensation.<br /><br />How much are we paying for this again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-34815837746445635712013-01-10T22:17:05.148-05:002013-01-10T22:17:05.148-05:00Boyln, son! This is all theatrics again like a co...Boyln, son! This is all theatrics again like a couple of summers ago. It is just Heath paying homage to the urban leaders who got this school system in a mess. Of course that is all Broad is about. It is show. And it is appeasement of the urban crowd. And it is another "throw the teachers under the bus" exercise to help the Charlotte Observer editorial staff with their white guilt.<br /><br />Get with the show Boyln, gee whiz! You took this seriously? Missourinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77278284980724382532013-01-10T22:10:05.897-05:002013-01-10T22:10:05.897-05:00To the leaders at CMS.
I want Dr. Morrison’s admi...To the leaders at CMS.<br /><br />I want Dr. Morrison’s administration to be a success, but Ann Helms’ note to me in her blog makes me wonder. I had stated in the blog that readers should remember there is another group looking at compensation: a task force. This was meant to be a positive reminder.<br /><br />Ann later wrote in response.<br /><br />“Bolyn, according to Millard House, the teacher group now working IS the compensation task force, though apparently some community members will be added. But by the time they get on board, the employee members will pretty much have a plan crafted to send to the state.“<br /><br />Considering the big show at Blumenthal and all the tables in the lobby for sign-ups, don’t you think the public is due an explanation? If other task forces meet and find the bulk of the work has been done there will be great damage. <br /><br />I can see how I could be on your side on this. The General Assembly isn’t going to wait for a citizen task force in Mecklenburg. The Gen. Assembly has made the committee assignments and is probably completing the agendas now. At least that’s what I learned in the last BOE Intergovernmental Committee meeting.<br /><br />But that’s not the point. CMS asked for help. In my opinion it asked for help to build public support of the kind that will last for years.<br /><br />Get my drift?<br /><br />Bolyn McClung<br />PinevilleBolynMcClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02938579006144446381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-49268325354446701222013-01-10T21:36:08.349-05:002013-01-10T21:36:08.349-05:00More commentary on the MET study.
This critique ...More commentary on the MET study. <br /><br />This critique shows the MET researchers used strategic averaging to make their correlations look stronger than it most likely was. <br /><br />http://garyrubinstein.teachforus.org/2013/01/09/the-50-million-dollar-lie/<br /><br /><br />Then everybody's favorite celebrity analytics guru, Nate Silver, had this to say: "There are certainly cases where applying objective measures badly is worse than not applying them at all, and education may well be one of those."<br /><br />The reality is there is more proof invalidating VAM than there is supporting it. Yet, education reformers and legislators continue to try and pound this square peg into a round hole.<br /><br /><br /><br />Jeff Wisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-192783184674975902013-01-10T21:27:22.244-05:002013-01-10T21:27:22.244-05:002:18 and 8:31,
I also took the poorly worded...2:18 and 8:31, <br /> I also took the poorly worded, confusingly constructed(no when you actually mean yes introduction to one question), and the obvious pay for performance slant. One question had the pfp solution for every choice. Battelle's website will be happy to sell much of the information that others have paid for as well. 214 ipads down the drain for another bogus vendor of data when 2:18 is working so hard on another soon to be circular file liner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-53207007364689851672013-01-10T21:19:27.191-05:002013-01-10T21:19:27.191-05:00Ann, we received an email and it was extended for ...Ann, we received an email and it was extended for a few days.<br /><br />Employeestill here and never going backhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07241915303109625805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-23019762999882805372013-01-10T20:31:54.396-05:002013-01-10T20:31:54.396-05:00I received the survey and was appalled at the poor...I received the survey and was appalled at the poorly written, confusing, leading questions that contained grammatical errors and misspelled words that spell check doesn't catch. Hard to put much faith in a company that would put out such a poorly written survey. And we are paying $60,000 for this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-79703768770612877192013-01-10T19:20:37.613-05:002013-01-10T19:20:37.613-05:007:02 How much of your own money do you spend in or...7:02 How much of your own money do you spend in order to be able to do your job? Can you imagine UPS delivery drivers having to buy gas for the trucks in order to deliver packages because the company can't/won't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-78690488701916113252013-01-10T19:02:14.679-05:002013-01-10T19:02:14.679-05:00Heath "Door to Door" Morrison
Over 100 ...Heath "Door to Door" Morrison<br /><br />Over 100 days on the job. Impact on the over 40 students in my classroom?<br /><br />0<br /><br />His and Gormans bonus: Thousands<br />(weather they take it or not) and the perks (computer, phone, car) ThousandsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-10838842259180509262013-01-10T18:58:33.333-05:002013-01-10T18:58:33.333-05:00Good idea. Another million spent on research and s...Good idea. Another million spent on research and survey and focus groups to come up with the answer we all know will happen.<br /><br />NOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-34121553535433572152013-01-10T18:34:35.071-05:002013-01-10T18:34:35.071-05:00How about we base performance pay for administrato...How about we base performance pay for administrators on teacher morale and turnover?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com