tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post693717794737626419..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Mystery group pushes higher teacher payUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-88787918370462051232014-02-03T21:08:34.115-05:002014-02-03T21:08:34.115-05:00Not 11:06 Wiley Not 11:06 Wiley Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-140631937288111182014-02-01T13:00:50.153-05:002014-02-01T13:00:50.153-05:00If you are not a current CMS teacher, let me enlig...If you are not a current CMS teacher, let me enlighten you on what is going on and WHY if this is not fixed soon, our city will be in trouble. <br /><br />At any given school, teachers are leaving - not at the end of the school year - but giving their 30 days notice and leaving. For the first time I am watching my peers stand up and say I am better than this. Sure, where there is a supportive principal and PTA it probably is not as much mid-year turnover. At my school, this not the case so barely a week has gone by since November that another staff member has not resigned.<br /><br /> We have created the perfect storm in NC: poor pay, poor treatment, terrible work conditions, poor leadership that is ignored by the Superintendent, and a total disrespect of this community of bloggers. (Teachers read this blog and the terrible things you say about us being whiners and that we should be grateful for having a job in this economy and blah, blah, blah . . .) <br /><br />As each staff member has resigned, the rest of the staff has congratulated the person for getting out. I attend area meetings and this is not just happening at my school - although it is more prevalent. <br /><br />Blame whatever and whoever, but the fact is when no one wants to teach at your most neediest schools the candidates that will come to teach there will only be of lower standards than what you have currently employed. Parents of those students in the high performing schools, beware - they will have to staff those low performing schools somehow . . . <br /><br />Higher pay attracts and affords you the choice to higher a better quality teacher. When NC realizes this will be the determining factor of survival for CMS. A major teacher shortage of QUALITY teachers is going to cause major issues.<br /><br />Personally, the decision has been made to not stick around and watch this happen. On to bigger and better things - "It's ashame though - I do love teaching my students.", said every CMS teacher who has resigned. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87530286829189097662014-02-01T10:06:10.901-05:002014-02-01T10:06:10.901-05:00Not only will Charlotte loose teachers to other ST...Not only will Charlotte loose teachers to other STATES, there will also be a mass exodus to the PRIVATE sector. It is happening now. Look at how much CMeS spends on recruiting trip to try and attract teachers to Charlotte. <br /><br />Lifers (15+) have no choice but the younger teachers are a FOOL to stay in education in this city and state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-32351905055670998342014-01-31T11:46:09.799-05:002014-01-31T11:46:09.799-05:00Hate to say it but with the push for more technolo...Hate to say it but with the push for more technology in the class, teachers are doing less teaching and more administrative work.<br /><br />Teachers will be obsolete soon enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46699476044333153252014-01-31T09:28:28.079-05:002014-01-31T09:28:28.079-05:00I agree with some of you, I am so dissapointed wit...I agree with some of you, I am so dissapointed with the leadership in this State. I really thought McCrory would bring a positive and balanced approach but sadly I was mistaken. I also agree, neither Mike Easley or Bev Purdue did anything to help teachers financially however, it is worth noting that neither of them hurt our teachers by taking things away, as McCrory has. <br />My children attend public schools and we have been extremely pleased with the level of instruction provided, our schools have exceeded our expectations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-18432810697622621812014-01-31T09:04:02.442-05:002014-01-31T09:04:02.442-05:00Let's give the teachers a raise. Most people w...Let's give the teachers a raise. Most people would agree that it's the right thing to do. <br /><br />So, where will the money come from? How about reducing bus transportation services? Just for CMS that's a $63million budget. We all agree that the buses could run more efficiently, less routes would allow saner school start times. Carol S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63715897913345426742014-01-31T07:45:05.386-05:002014-01-31T07:45:05.386-05:00Anon 9:53 pm.
Maybe you've stumbled upon the ...Anon 9:53 pm.<br /><br />Maybe you've stumbled upon the new state "jobs" strategy.<br /><br />Since NC is already at the bottom of the list of states for "upward mobility" maybe the idea is to become the low cost producer of choice.<br /><br />In order to do that and attract more "shovel ready" jobs, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH SHOVELS.<br /><br />Not degrees.<br /><br />So, we don't be needin' none of dat edumacation stuff no more.<br /><br />We just need to keep wages lower than China and Mexico and the world will beat a path to our door.<br /><br />It's all about "job" creation.<br /><br />No matter how poorly paid.<br /><br />It's the "new normal".<br /><br />Yeeha!<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-24386113380424570652014-01-31T07:38:02.629-05:002014-01-31T07:38:02.629-05:00It just doesn't make good sense to be a lower...It just doesn't make good sense to be a lower paying state surrounded by much higher paying states in any industry.<br /><br />It tends to make your state the training ground for the other states.<br /><br />Especially with mobility being what it is today.<br /><br />We aren't in the horse and buggy era any longer.<br /><br />IF it hasn't already happened, NC will become the place where people may go to get a start in their careers, but where they leave as quickly as they build up a resume.<br /><br />Not a smart use of money at all.<br /><br />Unless that's what you really want to be.<br /><br />But why would you want that?<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-83350758745663041142014-01-31T00:56:33.308-05:002014-01-31T00:56:33.308-05:0011:06.. Do you need help with the difference betwe...11:06.. Do you need help with the difference between a city and a state.. LolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-91726691676915159192014-01-31T00:51:39.989-05:002014-01-31T00:51:39.989-05:0012:41, you are proving my point.. I am talking abo...12:41, you are proving my point.. I am talking about a state, not a city. CMS has always done well compared to other cities. But as a whole state we do not.. Look at PA. Not Philadelphia but PA. If anything is shows CMS teachers deserve a raise.. These silly numbersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-50831887091144533122014-01-31T00:41:58.510-05:002014-01-31T00:41:58.510-05:00If you take demographics, with the extremely low p...If you take demographics, with the extremely low pay, CMS does well..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-29239886497736156792014-01-31T00:41:46.796-05:002014-01-31T00:41:46.796-05:0011:06
You're cherry picking.
Look at the sta...11:06<br /><br />You're cherry picking.<br /><br />Look at the stats for NY City Schools, Detroit Public Schools and Chicago Public schools. Look at what teachers make versus results.<br /><br /><b>Chicago:</b><br /><br />Salaries (annual average) <br />Teachers: $74,839<br /><br />Administrators: $120,659 <br /><br />Graduation rate: 61%<br /><br /><b>New York City:</b><br /><br />Average teacher salary: $69,901 (can make $100,000 over time)<br /><br />Graduation rate: 64.7%<br /><br /><b>Detroit Public Schools:</b><br /><br />Average teacher salary: $71,031<br /><br />Graduation rate: 65%<br /><br /><b>Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools:</b><br /><br />Average teacher salary: $44,600<br /><br />Graduation rate: 81%<br /><br />So, we have an 81% graduation rate with 54% poverty, 32% White Student population and the average salary is $44,600. <br /><br />Compare that to the other three cities listed. We seem to do quite well wouldn't you say?Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-65776701003896777242014-01-30T23:41:19.679-05:002014-01-30T23:41:19.679-05:00I am not a fan of unions but seeing the current tr...I am not a fan of unions but seeing the current treatment of teachers, I can see y they would want one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-32219716785533919882014-01-30T23:24:56.341-05:002014-01-30T23:24:56.341-05:0011:06, I agree, the states who do best pay teacher...11:06, I agree, the states who do best pay teachers well. Looking over state test scores, best schools and common sense, none of the well performing states have low teacher pay. All of them pay for masters and timed served. They have unions. Its demographics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-66699646664425578992014-01-30T23:06:59.984-05:002014-01-30T23:06:59.984-05:00Massachusetts is one on the top states for educati...Massachusetts is one on the top states for education in the country. It's teachers are paid very well and it has good demographics. NC could do the same in most areas. Not all but most<br />Adjust for cost of living and pay. New York Detroit and Chicago have bad demographics but do well, better then NC in the suburbs. There small suburb school districts kick the crap out of NC. It's demographics and numbers folks. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-56865121452393204562014-01-30T21:57:33.657-05:002014-01-30T21:57:33.657-05:00People vote on emotion, always have. I am against ...People vote on emotion, always have. I am against abortion, hate taxes and wish DC would fall into the river. What's happening to teachers is wrong. 7 years of nothing is BS.. Every other state has figured it out.. I am sick of hearing excuses from talking heads. My Aunt was a teacher and she would role over in her grave if she saw the current treatment of our teachers.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-25360166171643214182014-01-30T21:53:32.327-05:002014-01-30T21:53:32.327-05:00Ironic that Charlotte wants to pay Stanley/Black a...Ironic that Charlotte wants to pay Stanley/Black and Decker to bring lower paying widget assembly jobs from Mexico to Steele Creek at higher pay than NC teachers. There's still time to make it to the Virginia Regional Teacher's Fair in Salem,Virginia Saturday morning. Be sure and tell 'em you saw it in the Charlotte Observer Classifieds Sunday. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-38903685300959690412014-01-30T21:30:11.097-05:002014-01-30T21:30:11.097-05:009:22
I'm an unaffiliated voter. I don't s...9:22<br /><br />I'm an unaffiliated voter. I don't subscribe to either party platform.<br /><br />I have liberal and conservative views but I try to be pragmatic and look at the issues from all sides and take emotion out of it.<br /><br />I posted on another opinion blog today that I wish Michael Barnes would run for Mayor, as he seems to be the only person in city government with a brain and common sense. I don't believe that makes me a Republican anymore than a Democrat.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87866381609428947772014-01-30T21:23:50.474-05:002014-01-30T21:23:50.474-05:00As you ask, several groups were represented at the...As you ask, several groups were represented at the rally, including the NCAE, Progress North Carolina, Action NC, and MecklenburgACTS. MecklenburgACTS was asked to spread the word and we did because raising teacher pay is a cause that we support (in case anyone is wondering about our funding, we are an all-volunteer group that does not take donations). Gov. Hunt was scheduled to speak at the rally that was originally scheduled for last week, but apparently could not make this one.Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-64532704335036980392014-01-30T21:22:37.868-05:002014-01-30T21:22:37.868-05:00My life long freind growing up was always smarter ...My life long freind growing up was always smarter then me. Always pushed me to do the right thing instead of the fun thing. He went to a better school then me and did well. He helped with my studies to get into grad school. He became a teacher and I went into business. I now make 4x him. I know because I can find what he makes on the education page of the charlotte observer. When me and some friends from school, many of whom have never be inside or have seen a college, yet all make more then him. He always orders the cheapest special. He has the same car from school. His family struggles with day to day bills and its hard on his marriage. But he loves this dam state and will not leave. When I see this it makes me HATE. These are our friends, neighbors, coworkers spouses, and mothers. Do you really think political leanings or philosophy is more important then the people in our lives? Who cares witch group starter screwing teachers.. I want to vote for the group that fixes it. I voted for Mcory. I thought he was a problem solver. He found money to give his cronies raise. Tilllis gave a golden parachute to his roommates that where fired for inappropriate relationships with a lobbyist. He said they had family responsibilities. What about my friends family? He wasn't caught with his hand in the cookie jar or sum lobbyists pants. Why is he being screwed. At the end of the day, Wiley, you will go Republican no matter what. That's fine, my dad was the same way. Others will go Democratic no matter what.. Independents win elections and the boys and girls in Raleigh will be out of work if things do not change. Most the people I know are independents, really to busy for politics.. I do not know one who is happy with the treatment of teachers or the current legislative group. Smarten up or you will be sent home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-91920885963217565382014-01-30T21:01:09.542-05:002014-01-30T21:01:09.542-05:008:14
CMS and public education in general isn'...8:14<br /><br />CMS and public education in general isn't in the shape it's in due to teachers not getting paid X dollars.<br /><br />Not bringing a/your company here shouldn't be based soley on teacher pay. The whole system is a screwed up mess.<br /><br />Until we eliminate the political correctness, diversity at all cost directives and get down and dirty as to who qualifies for which programs and spend money accordingly, nothing will change.<br /><br />With 50 states, there will always be a top, a bottom and somewhere inbetween when it comes to any ranking - including teacher pay.<br /><br />Does anyone really believe raising NC teacher pay to where it moves the bar from say 40th to 20th going to make one ounce of difference in the schools?<br /><br />It may make you feel good teachers are making more money, but in my opinion, it's not going to make much of a difference in the classroom.<br /><br />If paying teachers more money is supposed to fix schools, then why aren't New York, Detroit and Chicago schools at the top?Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-22719394517621262332014-01-30T20:58:24.260-05:002014-01-30T20:58:24.260-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-24484161240148300632014-01-30T20:14:17.651-05:002014-01-30T20:14:17.651-05:00I agree Wiley but that is the way teachers are pai...I agree Wiley but that is the way teachers are paid and if this state doesn't do something, they will leave. We have always lost new teachers who went back north.. We can't compete, but now thirty something home grown teachers are leaving. My neighbors daughter is leaving for a 15k raise.. We are below market. She's not going north, she's going south. She went to Duke.. We need to do something, it's getting ridiculous. I think it will stop business from coming here. The vouchers are a good idea but they are only for free lunch kids. Middle class workers are out once again. I wouldn't bring my small company here with a school districts who can't keep it's teachers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77102770963730759882014-01-30T19:37:05.492-05:002014-01-30T19:37:05.492-05:00Wiley, we all idolize you, you are smarter than a...Wiley, we all idolize you, you are smarter than anyone and should run for governor. Problem solved.gwalkerrunshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00108724950538215989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-48109042330372913262014-01-30T18:48:38.508-05:002014-01-30T18:48:38.508-05:005:59
I've said all along that the legislature...5:59<br /><br />I've said all along that the legislature could have found money to give teachers back some or all of the money they lost under Perdue.<br /><br />The notion that paying teachers X salary equals success doesn't hold water. People have been arguing over what teachers make for many years, so this is not something new.<br /><br />Regarding Masters pay, look up the Federal government's definition of what a "highly qualified teacher" is. Having a Masters degree isn't one of the criteria.<br /><br />I do agree that the more knowledge or schooling you have related to your job should translate into higher pay, but determining that should be left up to what the market will bear.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.com