tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post8526971503065910836..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Teacher merit raises: $500 or $5,000?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-89022093536579711592013-10-21T03:05:33.987-04:002013-10-21T03:05:33.987-04:00Teachers should resist this legislative effort to ...Teachers should resist this legislative effort to use a crummy and divisive raise structure to hold on to their broader contractual rights and professional principles. <br /><br />McCrory, Pope, and the Republican legislators like bribery better than quality. Stick with the NCAE and the parents and voters will stick with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-8226692329583220742013-10-20T16:14:11.242-04:002013-10-20T16:14:11.242-04:00Everyone is arguing over whether it's $500, $2...Everyone is arguing over whether it's $500, $2000 or $5000. Who cares?<br /><br />Some teachers are better than others, and presumably many of them want better pay and recognition for their performance. The more interesting question is: will these teachers take more money and accept the label of a superior teacher? <br /><br />Will this offer destroy the solidarity among teachers for pay and benefits? I'm sure many on this message board will say no, but I'm not so sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-26494961013331358652013-10-19T20:02:12.131-04:002013-10-19T20:02:12.131-04:00Of course, they're gonna protect "da coac...Of course, they're gonna protect "da coach".<br /><br />Because they're what made American strong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-19069161630251567882013-10-19T18:25:00.511-04:002013-10-19T18:25:00.511-04:005:57...
Perhaps a course in reading comprehension...5:57...<br /><br />Perhaps a course in reading comprehension would help you.<br /><br />That statement was made describing the difference in a suspect <b>math equation</b> to another poster regarding the proposed new $500 raise scheme and not a derogatory remark towards teachers.<br /><br />Next time, read all of the threads and then try to understand the topic, what was said and why, because you failed miserably.<br /><br /><br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-33600709153162213632013-10-19T17:57:37.270-04:002013-10-19T17:57:37.270-04:00"The teachers who don't get the bump are ..."The teachers who don't get the bump are immaterial."<br />Based on this brilliant statement are........<br /><br />Non Medal of Honor Winners military members immaterial?<br /><br />Non Superintendents of the year immaterial?<br /><br />Rank and file Tea Party members Immaterial?<br /><br />Former Superintendents shilling bogus programs and breakable tablets to former CMS administrators immaterial?<br /><br />Grandstanding politicians with No Viable Plan trying to raise campaign funds costing the US population $24 billion immaterial?<br /><br />Blog hogs regurgitating the same material ad nauseum immaterial?<br /><br />Your line may have been a throwaway but workers in all lines of work have and are being forced to "immaterial."<br /><br />Thanks for the reminder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87593703255946002572013-10-19T11:39:04.168-04:002013-10-19T11:39:04.168-04:00We seem to be forgetting, too, that this only appl...We seem to be forgetting, too, that this only applies to teachers who already have tenure. So, excellent teachers with great reviews who do not yet have tenure will not be eligible for this raise. How's that for fair? (Plus, many of those untenured teachers started teaching after raises stopped, so they're still making basically base salary after teaching for as many as six years!)Ms. Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442919932884992566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-31935417777624160602013-10-19T11:15:46.463-04:002013-10-19T11:15:46.463-04:00Teachers who do not coach sports can reduce their ...Teachers who do not coach sports can reduce their 25% chance of qualifying for the option of a 4 year contract per county by every athletic director, coach, etc. in the county because they will surely be part of the 25% who receive the contracts if they choose.<br /><br />No districts are going to risk losing their sports personnel or the disruption to their "sports programs" over a mere $500.00 a year before taxes.<br /><br />We have already been informed that all coaching personnel/directors will be given enough points, or whatever metric, the county decides to use to make sure they qualify for a 4 year contract if sports personnel want to choose that option.<br /> <br />When this comes to pass, if ever, a teacher can request a hearing before the school board and/or the superintendent to discuss why you were not considered qualified for a 4 year contract and "raise", but they can deny your request without giving you a reason. End of story.<br /><br />Because each county is allowed to determine their own qualifications for the honor of giving up tenure for $500.00 a year and since there is no way to force school boards to reveal their decisions on who is worthy and who is not, we'll never know how or on what basis the decisions were really made.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-31088667439133950932013-10-18T22:54:51.773-04:002013-10-18T22:54:51.773-04:00I have a question that maybe someone can answer.
...I have a question that maybe someone can answer.<br /><br />Right now, everyone is on a pay scale by number of years employed.<br /><br />When this new contract hocus pocus takes effect, what do those teachers/employees do who opt not to try and get the $500/year raises?<br /><br />If you're making $35,000 per year at the time this new contract plan goes into effect, are you stuck at that $35,000 salary forever or until the Legislature approves a percentage raise (COLA) that particular year for all employees? What about the County contributing outside of the Legislature?<br /><br />By 2018 tenure will be gone and all teachers will be on one-, two- or four-year contracts, based on length of service and job evaluations.<br /><br />What criteria determines salaries in 2018 for a one, two or four year contract?<br /><br />Looking at the current pay scale, here's the difference from year to year, which isn't much more than $500 per year, except for some anomaly for years 8 - 12:<br /><br />Bachelors Degree 2013-2014<br /><br />0-2...$0 <br />3-5...$0 <br />6.....$420 <br />7.....$450 <br />8.....$1,360 <br />9.....$1,420 <br />10....$1,350 <br />11....$1,310 <br />12....$1,050 <br />13....$490 <br />14....$490 <br />15....$510 <br />16....$500 <br />17....$510 <br />18....$520 <br />19....$530 <br />20....$550 <br />21....$560 <br />22....$550 <br /><br />To me, this is an exercise in futility and needs to be scrapped and start over...<br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87458412791493660082013-10-18T21:57:28.573-04:002013-10-18T21:57:28.573-04:00Only the top 25% of each district will qualify for...Only the top 25% of each district will qualify for the raise. There are about 9200 teachers in CMS, so that means only about 2300 teachers will be eligible. Next, the raise only last for the length of your contract, so after 4 years you revert back to your original salary. Also, if you sign the 4 year contract, you forever give up the right to have career status...even if NC goes back to the current system because of lawsuits that may be in the works. What's worse is there is no standard of measure for special area teachers, as of now their score or rank is derived from overall school score. For example, I teach the first grade and we don't have an EOG so our value added score comes from scores of 5th grade students, so basically I'm not being assessed based on the growth of my students in my first grade class, but on that of another teachers class which does not represent the learning that goes on in my class. Furthermore, the new state mandated Reading 3D has no instructions in regards to test security, which means a teacher could low ball score their students at the beginning, so it looks like they grew a ton of levels. At this time no one is even sure of the criteria being used to identify the top 25% of each district?Bottom line is, the NC legislature has found a bs way to never give us a raise again! To top it off, they have not found a fair or equal way to measure teachers across grade levels or curriculum areas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16175115342812215602013-10-18T21:39:37.964-04:002013-10-18T21:39:37.964-04:00SECTION 9.6.(h)
Teachers employed by a local boar...<b>SECTION 9.6.(h)<br /><br />Teachers employed by a local board of education on a four-year contract beginning with the 2014-2015 school year shall receive a five hundred dollar($500.00) annual pay raise for each year of the four-year contract.</b><br /><br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-60021704043456011772013-10-18T21:03:37.386-04:002013-10-18T21:03:37.386-04:00It's NOT a $5000 raise. The new proposal would...It's NOT a $5000 raise. The new proposal would be a total gain of $5000 over a period of four years compared to your salary if one did not accept the offer. It is gain, not a raise because it is cumulative. Using the word "raise" implies that one is making $5000/year more, which is not the case. Because no funding exists beyond year two, it is not a reality anyway. It's just talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-86690114404082062212013-10-18T17:13:30.509-04:002013-10-18T17:13:30.509-04:00ABC Bonus ( NEVER PAID ) -1,500
Loss of Dental -1...ABC Bonus ( NEVER PAID ) -1,500<br />Loss of Dental -1,000<br />Loss of Vision -100<br />Loss of 80/20 -2,000<br />Loss of Steps (3%) -1,000<br /><br />Yearly Loss of $5,600<br />X 2.5% inflation<br />x 5 Years<br /><br />= TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LOST WAGES<br /><br />The exodus will continue as we go forward with this pittance of a compensation offer from CMS and the State.<br /><br />COMMON GOAL for a COMMON CORE <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77237401559214913632013-10-18T15:51:58.536-04:002013-10-18T15:51:58.536-04:00And if happen to be in the top 26%, but not the to...And if happen to be in the top 26%, but not the top 25%, then you're no better than the bottom 1%. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-38572154096469604312013-10-18T14:42:04.123-04:002013-10-18T14:42:04.123-04:00Hold it! The real issue is not the amount - it is ...Hold it! The real issue is not the amount - it is the strings attached to getting that money- and there are many! I say NO THANKS! Besides - it is unfair to thousands of other hard working teachers who will NOT get it. Stupid idea!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-76352102278355038692013-10-18T14:26:55.137-04:002013-10-18T14:26:55.137-04:00"Teachers deserve a $5000.00 raise, a year&qu..."Teachers deserve a $5000.00 raise, a year"<br /><br />- No they don't. They deserve a significant raise, but definitely not an annual bump of 5k every year they teach. Be reasonable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85196549416669735632013-10-18T14:23:42.298-04:002013-10-18T14:23:42.298-04:00How much over 4 years is the teacher who is gettin...How much over 4 years is the teacher who is getting a $500 per year raise for 4 years putting in THEIR BANK over the course of that 4 years????<br /><br />$2,000! The teachers who don't get the bump is immaterial.<br /><br />In the end, you're only getting an additional $500 per year for 4 years.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-83298193729378704792013-10-18T14:19:13.834-04:002013-10-18T14:19:13.834-04:00"The salary does not increase in $500 increme..."The salary does not increase in $500 increments per year as you are suggesting. It is a flat $500 for each of the four years for a total of $2000. This is first hand information directly from a school administrator."<br /><br />- That is two different ways of describing the same thing...<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-33623288926190787422013-10-18T14:17:26.793-04:002013-10-18T14:17:26.793-04:00Oh, I get it now.
It's those "business s...Oh, I get it now.<br /><br />It's those "business savvy" Republicans doing the calculations.<br /><br />They're really talking about the Net Present Value of future cash flows given a zero percent inflation rate.<br /><br />Yeah, that's the ticket...<br /><br />http://ncalculators.com/investment/npv-net-present-value-calculator.htm<br /><br />Just plug in your annual discount rate and initial cash as zero, then put in those four big raises as your yearly returns and press <br /><br />CALCULATE<br /><br />See, I should be a bureaucrat.<br /><br />Or maybe President.<br /><br />If nominated, I will not run.<br /><br />If elected I will not serve.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77774309693413678782013-10-18T14:14:35.566-04:002013-10-18T14:14:35.566-04:00"Based on the information I have seen, 10,000..."Based on the information I have seen, 10,000 teachers will qualify. That means 10 per county. REALLY?"<br /><br />- No... There are 100 counties That means 100 per county will qualifyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-69691841348041529842013-10-18T14:07:19.964-04:002013-10-18T14:07:19.964-04:00In the real world a $5000 permanent pay raise woul...In the real world a $5000 permanent pay raise would mean AT LEAST $5000 a year from that time forward.<br /><br />At least everywhere I have ever worked...<br /><br />But, hey, that's probably just me.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-44481018638082890062013-10-18T14:04:18.715-04:002013-10-18T14:04:18.715-04:00
500 +1000 +1500 +2000 = 5000.
But no one in the...<br /><br />500 +1000 +1500 +2000 = 5000.<br /><br />But no one in their right mind would call that a 5000 raise.<br /><br />Oh wait, we have a winner...<br /><br />“Only in the warped world of education bureaucrats and union leaders could a permanent $5,000 pay raise for top-performing teachers be branded as a bad thing,” Amy Auth, a spokeswoman for state Senate leader Phil Berger, a Rockingham County Republican, said in a written statement. <br /><br />Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/10/17/4395701/wake-and-cms-school-leaders-complain.html#.UmFQVfm1Evo#storylink=cpy<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63458899888779614522013-10-18T13:53:25.306-04:002013-10-18T13:53:25.306-04:00OK: $500 + $1,000 + $1,500 + $2,000 = $5,000 - it&...OK: $500 + $1,000 + $1,500 + $2,000 = $5,000 - it's math...got it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-10185584218098317102013-10-18T13:53:03.321-04:002013-10-18T13:53:03.321-04:00Wiley, I hope you don't teach math!Wiley, I hope you don't teach math!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-40969212751656465952013-10-18T13:51:22.741-04:002013-10-18T13:51:22.741-04:00Wiley, over the course of 4 years, the teacher who...Wiley, over the course of 4 years, the teacher who takes the raise will actually have gotten $5K more THAN THE TEACHER WHO DIDN'T. In year 1 they get $500. Year two they get $1K more than the teacher without the raise. Year 3, $1,500 more than the teacher without, Year 5, $2K more. $2,000 + $1,500. + $1,000 + $500 = $5,000.<br />Again, it's playing with the language.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63571363136153867582013-10-18T13:50:42.172-04:002013-10-18T13:50:42.172-04:00Subtract that $35k base from each of those 4 years...Subtract that $35k base from each of those 4 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com