tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post941152313908598011..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Eighth-graders: Phooey on reading!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-29201525093844653242011-12-09T15:28:53.031-05:002011-12-09T15:28:53.031-05:00To Ann Doss Helms....in my grade school years (man...To Ann Doss Helms....in my grade school years (many moons ago),it was either getting your knuckles rapped with a ruler,or get paddled with a paddle that had holes drilled in it!TCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-103185097165309452011-12-09T08:55:25.772-05:002011-12-09T08:55:25.772-05:00Anon 8:44pm.
Don't you mean those with Master...Anon 8:44pm.<br /><br />Don't you mean those with Masters tend to work work in communities with less Blacks and Hispanics?<br /><br />The evidence for a connection between poverty and low performance has not been presented separately from the racial data.<br /><br />Except, perhaps, by omission of statistics on Whites in Detroit, esposing the fact that Blacks of all incomes perform exactly the same as all "low income" students.<br /><br />Surely you aren't just swallowing the liberal assumption that poverty is the source of low performance on these tests without conclusive evidence?<br /><br />And apparently NAEP doesn't want us to have that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-65431715346558611822011-12-08T21:00:36.547-05:002011-12-08T21:00:36.547-05:00Anon 8:44 PM
Read the rest of my entry. The word...Anon 8:44 PM<br /><br />Read the rest of my entry. The wording o mine you noted is straight folrm the NAEP site, not my words. But in case you did not follow my point, it was a jab at Dr. Gorman's new found philosophy that a teacher's credentials meant nothing in teaching effectiveness. He simply rode the coattails of some Haa-vard guy who wrote an opinion piece. And I looked hard to find evidence to support his assertion and there was none. So my point was Dr. Gorman would come up with these "nuggets" and questioning and challenging was not tolerated by him or the Charlotte Observer.<br /><br />My position was, whatever he came up with using students' scores on those "new" tests was doomed with "unintended consequences" that would be far worse than the system we have now. I'd love to have a system that better rewarded the good teachers but this one was not it. I have used performance compensation systems before.TROTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-89611487188677984752011-12-08T20:44:42.108-05:002011-12-08T20:44:42.108-05:00therestofthestory says:
Students who had teachers...therestofthestory says:<br /><br /><i>Students who had teachers who held Masters degrees scored higher than students who teachers heald only bachelor degrees.</i><br /><br />And this proves what exactly? That masters degrees and other teaching credentials are the silver bullet? Or does it just prove that teachers with masters degrees tend to work in communities with lower poverty rates, on average?<br /><br />Besides, are you not on of the people that argues you can't draw conclusions on teaching quality from test scores anyway?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-57213000606059813412011-12-08T17:37:12.136-05:002011-12-08T17:37:12.136-05:00TROTS, I think if they gave more of that money to ...TROTS, I think if they gave more of that money to the higher performing schools we'd see a lot more "Einsteins".<br /><br />Only in academics would they give less resources to their best players and think they are doing "good".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-80587252121729454232011-12-08T17:37:01.060-05:002011-12-08T17:37:01.060-05:00I tuned in late and missed the jibes.
However, ...I tuned in late and missed the jibes. <br /><br />However, I'm glad they were taken down since "regulars" are generally intelligent enough to engage in lively differences of opinion that don't degenerate into the doggie doo-doo realm of public opinion. Check out the Observer Opinion/Viewpoint pages if you want to go here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-839466871282813402011-12-08T17:22:44.070-05:002011-12-08T17:22:44.070-05:00To every U.S. State Department of Education (or U....To every U.S. State Department of Education (or U.S. Department of Public Instruction):<br /><br />Thank you for requiring me to take "Cultural Understanding and Diversity in Education" in order to be deemed "qualified" to teach high school students my specialized subject area after teaching undergraduates at four different four-year universities. Couldn't have possibly done it without ya'!<br /><br />Next up? "Issues and Trends in Education"! Woo-hoo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-28470466098369757242011-12-08T15:48:12.742-05:002011-12-08T15:48:12.742-05:00TROTS, my crystal ball is pretty foggy on this; I ...TROTS, my crystal ball is pretty foggy on this; I guesstimated in advance they'd be pulling like 100 people per forum. On the first two, the ones I attended had more people than the ones Elisabeth attended. So based on that ... I'll be at North, so that's the place to be!Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-72190733349557674622011-12-08T15:26:48.780-05:002011-12-08T15:26:48.780-05:00Anon 3:09
I think the original purpose NAEP origi...Anon 3:09<br /><br />I think the original purpose NAEP originated as, is much different than what we think the value of it is now. For one, it has long been viewed that students coming from Midwest and maybe some Northern states were 1 to 2 years ahead of their same age peers in our public schools. I think that was the original purpose. <br /><br />Now, we tend to look at it as a standardized test to compare subgroups within our state and with same subgroups in other states. Many contend that if the PISA results were broken out in subgroups, USA would not look so bad. I tend to argue that with the high per pupil expenditure we have, most every child should be just short of Einstein. However all this "civil rights" stuff these politicans and community organzers scream about is really nothing but getting elected, re-elected, acquisition of media exposure, 15 minutes of fame, etc. by simply stealing money from hard working people and redistribution of income. We have quit making people suffer consequences of (bad) decisions. <br /><br />The additional point I would make too, is lok at the growth in these peripheral education industries like testing, consulting, since all of this has come to pass which all siphon money away from the schoolhouse.<br /><br />It is simply how much bigger and how many more friends, colleages, etc. can you as a politican or educrat make the taxpayer funded feeding trough.TROTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-47652218757274193492011-12-08T15:10:49.455-05:002011-12-08T15:10:49.455-05:00Do not forget that many low income high achieving ...Do not forget that many low income high achieving students have left CMS via the Children's Scholarship Fund. And it does not pay ALL required. The parents still sacrifice to get these kids out of CMS.<br /><br />Fortunately, most North Meck area students have good public (may not be CMS) choices. I am sure any more seats provided could be filled.TROTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-23662174165116217012011-12-08T15:09:31.966-05:002011-12-08T15:09:31.966-05:00Trots 2:38pm,
If someone really wants to improve...Trots 2:38pm, <br /><br />If someone really wants to improve education, why do they try so hard to hide the problems?<br /><br />To me, these NAEP reports are deceitful at best.<br /><br />Only a quick glance at their data gets my mathematical spidey sense tingling...<br /><br />Are they depending on Americans to be innumerate to protect their agenda?<br /><br />And what exactly is the agenda?<br /><br />Surely they aren't being deceitful for fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-27915199223063449302011-12-08T15:02:45.100-05:002011-12-08T15:02:45.100-05:00Be sure to note that the Parents of close to 45 th...Be sure to note that the Parents of close to 45 thousand, majority of which are gifted or well above the standard, Children, will not be at these meetings tonight. <br /><br />All are Parents of those in Charter, Home and the like schooling environments. <br /><br />CMS has already cemented the non-attending, successful futures of these students, by not listening, or providing even a minimal education opportunity at the public schools for their children.<br /><br />They still will be paying taxes on their homes and other tax oriented payments, and that is not the most important part of the whole mess?DistrictSixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05446006141343133046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-80520716337558687672011-12-08T14:44:03.623-05:002011-12-08T14:44:03.623-05:00Ann, where will be the best show tonight, Vance or...Ann, where will be the best show tonight, Vance or North Meck?TROTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-27911126288466931722011-12-08T14:38:53.113-05:002011-12-08T14:38:53.113-05:00Haaa, something other than poverty?
http://www.ed...Haaa, something other than poverty?<br /><br />http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2003/10/29/09gap.h23.html?print=1TROTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-18367905740467352542011-12-08T14:22:04.233-05:002011-12-08T14:22:04.233-05:00Correction to 2:00
Higher Income Blacks - 241
Low...Correction to 2:00<br /><br />Higher Income Blacks - 241<br />Lower Income Blacks -235<br /><br />Should be<br /><br />High Income (Black & Hisp) - 241<br />Lower Income (Black & Hisp) - 235<br /><br />All Hispanic - 244.<br />All Black - 235.<br /><br />The fact that whites are negligible in the population means that those income figures include both Black and Hispanic mixed.<br /><br />They're still not coming out and breaking this down properly, but I can see the general trend is against poverty being the biggest influence.<br /><br />There is no way to tease the exact picture out of the data we are given, so I still suspect they're trying to hide this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85064916983669364122011-12-08T14:09:18.982-05:002011-12-08T14:09:18.982-05:00Very good, Wiley! Now I don't need to crack yo...Very good, Wiley! Now I don't need to crack your knuckles with a ruler.Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-13879149766487188862011-12-08T14:04:02.398-05:002011-12-08T14:04:02.398-05:00Wiley!?
Please return to your seat!
Yes Mrs. Hel...Wiley!?<br /><br />Please return to your seat!<br /><br />Yes Mrs. Helms...Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46467350851040139062011-12-08T14:00:21.722-05:002011-12-08T14:00:21.722-05:00I think we only need to examine the Detroit situat...I think we only need to examine the Detroit situation to see what a big difference "poverty" makes in the schools.<br /><br />In their district there are negligible whites, as admitted in the report.<br /><br />In Detroit, the reading scores are:<br /><br />Higher Income Blacks - 241<br />Lower Income Blacks -235<br />Hispanics - 244<br /><br />That says a lot about poverty not being as great of a factor as something else with the Blacks.<br /><br />After all, people who allegedly struggle with English are beating both Higher and Lower Income blacks.<br /><br />Whites, of course, do not exist enough in the system to be of any real significance so are not counted.<br /><br />Maybe poverty is not the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-56650744459040485802011-12-08T13:42:17.276-05:002011-12-08T13:42:17.276-05:00OK, an experiment: As regular readers know, I tend...OK, an experiment: As regular readers know, I tend to let almost anything stand on comments. But this is starting to look like the online articles, where the comments degenerate into people thumbing their virtual noses at each other. And I wonder how many people who would like to discuss the topic get discouraged. So ... I assume you had a chance to see each other's jibes, and now I'm taking them down to clear the room for others.Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-15564823716181382772011-12-08T13:38:50.356-05:002011-12-08T13:38:50.356-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-7759573165143931452011-12-08T13:19:43.246-05:002011-12-08T13:19:43.246-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-4485055722151426992011-12-08T12:52:59.862-05:002011-12-08T12:52:59.862-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-60069595101238426602011-12-08T12:20:32.934-05:002011-12-08T12:20:32.934-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-40188564292885694372011-12-08T12:15:15.794-05:002011-12-08T12:15:15.794-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-89790441038776618832011-12-08T12:06:51.918-05:002011-12-08T12:06:51.918-05:00I weep for the future.I weep for the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com