tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post1261372555676996170..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Competition and common groundUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-54840504426748365902012-12-10T22:30:07.930-05:002012-12-10T22:30:07.930-05:00your observations and comments are worth pondering...your observations and comments are worth pondering...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-65185876989247098702012-12-10T22:28:00.968-05:002012-12-10T22:28:00.968-05:00Bill,
Your observations and comments which are wor...Bill,<br />Your observations and comments which are worth pondering.<br /><br />AliciaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-45105071058796810612012-12-10T22:11:28.567-05:002012-12-10T22:11:28.567-05:00Alicia 8:16, a number of Christian schools do have...Alicia 8:16, a number of Christian schools do have a type of collaborative learning. But you have to realize, it is Christian schools so enrollment is limited to those that respect the Christian faith and the carrying on of their traditions and faith practices.<br /><br />I know of a Christian preschool at a church that has had Muslims enrolled. They recognized and respected the Christian practices. For years, one family member would not attend parent functions in the sanctuary, (it was the only space large enough for the student programs.) Near the end of the year, that family member began showing up for performances.<br /><br />There are many that carry out such collaborations. They just do not wish to publicly pat themselves on the back like many of our politicians and community organizers do. They operate behind the scenes. They operate quietly and effectively. There is some biblical saying about this but I am not a bible scholar and can not recite passages. Bill_Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-51787040212640202022012-12-10T21:34:30.289-05:002012-12-10T21:34:30.289-05:008:20
If the dispute from long ago wasn't relev...8:20<br />If the dispute from long ago wasn't relevant, we wouldn't be having this conversation.<br /><br />Alicia DurandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-6209611804452978692012-12-10T20:26:20.061-05:002012-12-10T20:26:20.061-05:00Hey anon 8:20...
Then we both have something in c...Hey anon 8:20...<br /><br />Then we both have something in common because I could care less about your opinion.<br /><br />Perhaps you should read the comments and the context in which thwy relate to the overall discussion for this thread.<br /><br />If you don't like the minutia of our discussion, don't read it.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-44332502997882650162012-12-10T20:20:34.678-05:002012-12-10T20:20:34.678-05:00Hey Wiley and other guy, nobody cares about your d...Hey Wiley and other guy, nobody cares about your dispute from long ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-1591175964143039512012-12-10T20:16:49.623-05:002012-12-10T20:16:49.623-05:00FIVE COLLEGE CONSORTIUM
Five Colleges, Incorporat...FIVE COLLEGE CONSORTIUM<br /><br />Five Colleges, Incorporated, sustains and enriches the excellence of its members -- Amherst, Hampshire, Mount Holyoke, and Smith colleges and the University of Massachusetts Amherst -- through academic and administrative collaboration. The consortium facilitates intellectual communities and broad curricular and co-curricular offerings; affording learning, research, performance and social opportunities that complement the distinctive qualities of each institution.<br /><br />If our public, private and charter school community can pull off a miracle like this, count me in and sign me up for THIS task-force! Imagine. Wow. Note to all the Christian schools in town - if one of your primary goals is spreading the love of Christ, than here is a possible opportunity to reach a broader audience. Just a thought.<br /><br />Alicia Durand<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-30602250302886205742012-12-10T19:20:45.959-05:002012-12-10T19:20:45.959-05:00The electronics "magnet" was at Flora, n...The electronics "magnet" was at Flora, not Keenan (LR also had one).... I signed up through guidance couselors to take the program in junior high and at the time, I was zoned to go to Flora.<br /><br />By the time I went to the 10th grade (the year I went, they added 9th to high school and formed the 6-8 middle schools), RSD1 had moved the boundary 2 times, eventually dropping the block behind us.<br /><br />They couldn't get enough Whites to go to Johnson because most moved out. That's why my father had to threaten to sue because I was White and they needed Whites desperately there.<br /><br />RSD1 didn't give a damn I wanted to go into electrical engineering in college, which is why I was eager to take the program through high school. They just wanted White people at Johnson.<br /><br />The White student population currently in RSD1 is 18%, yet Richland County is 48%.<br /><br /><br />STUDENT DEMOGRAPHICS<br /><br />Ethnicity<br /><br />- Black 74%<br />- White 18%<br />- Other 8%<br /><br />Percentage receiving free/reduced-price lunch 74%<br /><br />Heathwood Hall, Hammond Academy, Cardinal Newman...three of the private schools in Columbia.<br /><br />Spring Valley High School established 1970...Richland Northeast in 1978 to handle the overflow from Spring Valley.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-67003301765052782952012-12-10T18:59:54.760-05:002012-12-10T18:59:54.760-05:00If you have an accademically gifted student, you o...If you have an accademically gifted student, you only choices are private or charter schools. CMS is trying to dumb down your child so the minority students look brighter.<br />The Scholars Academy (formerly Mertrolina Regional Scholars Academy) is a charter school that requires that you have a minimum IQ of 135 to apply for admission. The curriculum is challenging and the students are excited about learning. My only regret is that they stop at the 8th grade!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-53433491013259068902012-12-10T18:50:02.511-05:002012-12-10T18:50:02.511-05:00Forgive the typos...framing a response while cooki...Forgive the typos...framing a response while cooking....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-2470638888654789332012-12-10T18:38:28.397-05:002012-12-10T18:38:28.397-05:00Notice I said historically, I do apologize for the...Notice I said historically, I do apologize for the fact that you could not continue the electronics program at Keenan, as I am assuming that the Voced Center down the street from Keenan had not opened during the time of matriculation. <br /><br />As far as Drop out factories are concerned, that designation just looks at that as one major factor among many. Historically, since integration, CAJ has had the most challenging student population in the Midlands as its attendance zone. As far as comparing the R1 schools in totality with Spring Valley and Irmo because of white flight...that is just as much a function of available housing as The City of Columbia has not built much in town housing in at least 20 years. If you look at student population at either school now...close to half of both schools would be minority. <br /><br />Race, class and values are integral to this debate. Charlotte is unique in the way that it approached this issue fifty years ago. Just as much as if feel that Midlands Districts did not. Just as you state white flight was a factor....I am sure you must also remember when there were no schools in NE Columbia. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-37537632855843171912012-12-10T18:15:02.060-05:002012-12-10T18:15:02.060-05:00It is the fact of the matter. Just because it'...It is the fact of the matter. Just because it's something you don't want to hear, well that's too bad.<br /><br />Also, you might want to review your "facts" as the CA Johnson boundary does not stop at Two Notch Road and in fact, goes one mile east.<br /><br />I lived 1.25 miles from Flora and 1.5 miles from Johnson, yet was zoned to go to Johnson. 50 feet from my house was the dividing line.<br /><br />I was allowed to go to Flora to take the electronics program I had signed up for - at KEENAN - when I was in junior high there, only after my father retained a lawyer to sue the district over their refusal to either the put the program at Johnson or allow me to go to Flora. I got the waiver.<br /><br />You also might want to ask why my brother took courses at C A Johnson in the 10th grade he already took in the 8th and 9th grades at Crayton.<br /><br />When my parents finally could afford it, they took the superintendent's advice and put my youngest brother at Cardinal Newman.<br /><br />Is there anyting else you would like to know about the school system that lost thousands of students to Irmo and Spring Valley during White flight?<br /><br />2012:<br /><br />The state made big gains in eliminating so-called “dropout factories,” a designation for a school in which less than 60 percent of an incoming freshman class ends up graduating.<br /> <br />The report says the state had 101 dropout factories in 2002, but reduced that number to 58 in 2010. <br /><br />The Midlands still has its share of those factories: <b>C.A. Johnson High (38 percent graduation rate)</b>; Columbia High (48 percent); Dreher High (59 percent); Eau Claire High (35 percent); Lower Richland High (51 percent); W. J. Keenan High (49 percent). <br /><br />CA Johnson 38% graduation rate? No change in 30 years.<br /><br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-39442996621419494622012-12-10T17:51:58.328-05:002012-12-10T17:51:58.328-05:00Then please stop invoking the statement about the ...Then please stop invoking the statement about the super. There is no context and validity to back it up. As far as closing CAJ, that is a constant issue (and relatively empty threat) that is recirculated every ten years or so. I am sure that your research then showed that neither Dreher or Keenan could hold the number of kids. As you may remember, Keenan was designed to be a middle school, not a High School. As such it could not take in that large a number of students. DHS was probably close to capacity as well. Like yours my family lived through that era as well. I however do not vilify th district. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-48901480359723732242012-12-10T16:46:58.818-05:002012-12-10T16:46:58.818-05:004:20..
Original query as to the superintendent?
...4:20..<br /><br />Original query as to the superintendent?<br /><br />I will not disclose his name.<br /><br />I also have intimate knowledge of the school system from 1960 forward.<br /><br />It is a fact that in the mid 80's, they were looking at closing one of the two schools and spreading the population between the remaining school, Dreher and Keenan.<br /><br />I took a day off and spent it in the district's records room going through enrollment and capacity numbers all the way back to 1972, before any of the records were on computer.<br /><br />I know all about CA Johnson, Booker T Washington and all the other schools.<br /><br />I don't need a history lesson. I lived it. My family lived it.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-69177984847464879372012-12-10T16:20:03.120-05:002012-12-10T16:20:03.120-05:00WC,
The time period that you list for having ser...WC, <br /><br />The time period that you list for having serious discussion about school closure seems off. I was a student at one of the schools mentioned and have rather intimate knowledge about the other. Stating that closure was the only option for one, I feel is disingenuous. I liken it to saying that WC should be closed and all students from that area should be served by Vance and North Meck. <br /><br />As CAJHS was predominately one race then and now...well it was designed to be just that. Context and history needs to be brought to bear in understanding that issue. CAJ was built during an era to service African American students that could not continue to go across town to Booker T Washington (prior to the school closing and being sold to USC) and prior to integration. If you remember correctly upon closure BTW's student body (BTW) was bused primarily to Flora, Dreher and LR. CAJ's population was (and still is) the north side of Columbia with Two Notch as the dividing line between Flora and Johnson High. <br /><br />My point is that the neighborhood has not and probably will not drastically change. The school on the other hand has done wonders for the community and remains a Columbia institution. I would argue that regardless of the racial make up of CAJ at the time of your brother's attendance, he would have availed himself to some of the best teachers that the City of Columbia had to offer at that time. I know graduates of the Naval Academy, Duke, NC State, Harvard, Michigan and other excellent schools that came from BOTH CAJ and ACF. <br /><br />By the way, it is not lost on me that you did not answer the original query. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-49075475530184271762012-12-10T16:18:59.627-05:002012-12-10T16:18:59.627-05:00...its not like we don't know what works--look......its not like we don't know what works--look at the Chinese, Koreans, Germans and Finns. We just dont have the discipline to make the changes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-31875750630152528832012-12-10T12:03:59.284-05:002012-12-10T12:03:59.284-05:00Oh, and I got to study in the Robert Frost Library...Oh, and I got to study in the Robert Frost Library on the Amherst College campus if I felt like it. Robert Frost taught here. Emily Dickinson is from the area too. The 5 College Consortium was a great public school/private school experience. <br /><br />AliciaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-58295926720290472222012-12-10T11:55:03.283-05:002012-12-10T11:55:03.283-05:00Come on people! Where's the "can do"...Come on people! Where's the "can do" spirit!<br /><br />OK, UMASS-Amherst and Amherst College aren't exactly in the same league. However, both colleges advertise the 5 College Consortium as a major selling point. Here are a few apples to oranges reasons:<br /><br />1. UMass - 108 B.A. programs, 76 M.A. programs, 50 doctoral programs. 28,000 students. <br /><br />2. Amherst College - 36 B.A. programs. 1,700 students. <br /><br />3. UMass - $23,167 tuition, room, board.<br /><br />4. Amherst College- $60,809 - $63,259 tuition, room, board and estimated fees. <br /><br />OK, so I didn't take Quantum Physics at Amherst College but you bet I took some other courses here. Ditto for Amherst students venturing over to UMass because they only offer 36 undergraduate majors and fewer clubs - like skydiving. <br /><br />CMS does offer things even the best private schools in town don't. It's true. Private schools have their own advantages. I think a consortium is worth exploring. Why not?<br /><br />Alicia DurandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-61354457540764575072012-12-10T11:35:47.713-05:002012-12-10T11:35:47.713-05:00to 10:52. I agree, and I'm a CMS parent. I t...to 10:52. I agree, and I'm a CMS parent. I think that kids need to be held more accountable in the classroom and on the athletic fields in CMS. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16993631848000273062012-12-10T11:30:55.098-05:002012-12-10T11:30:55.098-05:0011:23...
The context was the mid-70's...
In ...11:23...<br /><br />The context was the mid-70's...<br /><br />In the mid-80's RCSD 1 debated closing either Flora or Johnson because they didn't have enough students to fill both schools.<br /><br />I fought against closing Flora, as Johnson had no growth in the area. I also pointed out the school capacity versus enrollment numbers they were using were bogus.<br /><br />In the end, they wound up doing nothing.<br /><br />Since then, Flora has been expanded while Johnson still exists in the same languishing area.<br /><br />Johnson today is 99% Black, which is a higher percentage than when my father was told what I posted back when my brother went there, one of 9 Whites in his class.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-28870980652482647162012-12-10T11:24:40.314-05:002012-12-10T11:24:40.314-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16733724388975365602012-12-10T11:23:03.668-05:002012-12-10T11:23:03.668-05:00To WC, as a grad of an RCSD1 school, I have to won...To WC, as a grad of an RCSD1 school, I have to wonder which Sup. gave your parents that advice?What was the context of the statement? Additionally, there are numerous schools in District I that have excellent academic programs even now. For example, I would put DHS of ACFHS up against any of the private schools in the Columbia region, and Charlotte for that matter. I do not think things were much different when you were in school. <br /><br />CMS has to have these conversations in order to get clarity about what they need to do well in order to maintain and increase support. There are things that area private schools cannot offer, they do not have the physical plant or the academics to do so. It is what it is. These are just conversations to see how the district and area schools can support each other. Spread the gloom and doom elsewhere... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-88614520992424822862012-12-10T11:10:59.855-05:002012-12-10T11:10:59.855-05:0011:04, yep and your kids have that right also and ...11:04, yep and your kids have that right also and those kids were denying you your rights, a civil rights case that if filed in court and Department of Education Civil Rigts Commission could change public education in the country more than Swann vs CMS. Bill Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-35532705147815337392012-12-10T11:04:08.654-05:002012-12-10T11:04:08.654-05:00I went to speak with the principal of a large sout...I went to speak with the principal of a large south charlotte CMS MS when my child was in a class with constant disruptions by a group of students. Security actually had to be in the class everyday. I was told by the principal that those kids were entitled to their free education too and nothing was done. We left the next school year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-5650497992363183262012-12-10T11:03:00.813-05:002012-12-10T11:03:00.813-05:0010:58, AMEN!!!!!10:58, AMEN!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com