tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post1726933883070953082..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Student's seizure highlights role of nurses and familyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-68999438457909352672014-04-02T07:17:05.743-04:002014-04-02T07:17:05.743-04:003:58
I'm not sure what the point of your post...3:58<br /><br />I'm not sure what the point of your post is.<br /><br />I am sure you haven't received an email from a BOCC rep outlining spending on school nurses.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87448437852277793722014-03-28T18:53:45.410-04:002014-03-28T18:53:45.410-04:00Anon 2:32pm.
"It's great there are those...Anon 2:32pm.<br /><br />"It's great there are those who can post their name, but for us others who have dealt with CMS and know the petty games principals and teachers play I am glad to still be able to comment anonymously on Ann's blog."<br /><br />The "thought police" don't like it when you post anonymously.<br /><br />They want to be able to locate those with dissenting opinions.<br /><br />In case "re-education" becomes necessary.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-25827061075260368872014-03-28T18:49:20.911-04:002014-03-28T18:49:20.911-04:00Studies show that nurses keep kids in school as we...Studies show that nurses keep kids in school as well. When kids go to the health room, secretaries or volunteers send them home if they are unsure what to do. Nurses keep them in school when appropriate. They also are on the front lines for epidemics like H1N1. Nurses can assess for substance use, suicide and provide prevention. They can do all this in addition to care for emergencies and other medical needs if they are given the time to do so by being at one school. Healthy children learn better. We cannot continue to deny the link between health and academics. Parents will continue advocating to prioritize the health and safety of our children. Thanks to those also supporting this cause!Teri Saurernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-91527368349625652552014-03-28T17:29:41.657-04:002014-03-28T17:29:41.657-04:00The last time I'll weigh-in here, but I just w...The last time I'll weigh-in here, but I just want to refer everyone back to the link that takes you to the article written last Saturday. This isn't a partisan issue and neither side should be villainized. Take a look at comments from Commissioners on both sides of the aisle.<br /><br />Yes, I like facts. I think it's good to understand an issue. <br /><br />I don't have the power to define what nurses are or can be. That power will rest with the Health Department. I only know what I've experienced elsewhere and know from that first-hand experience what our NC children are currently doing without. <br /><br />Thanks to everyone that continues to support this issue. It will continue to get my support, as well.<br /><br />Carrie Mernernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-71701615020464326282014-03-28T17:01:27.664-04:002014-03-28T17:01:27.664-04:00Nurses provide essential medical coverage during s...Nurses provide essential medical coverage during school times. Accidents can, and do, happen every day. Yes, these can be minor cuts, scrapes and bruises. But, they can also be significant such as concussions, broken bones, or worse in the event of more severe situations. <br /><br />Not to mention, increasingly more of our children are suffering from conditions that require daily medication or safeguards to protect them in other ways. Many of these children need help remembering or administering their medication - teachers and staff are not qualified to take on this burden. Nor should we accept having a teacher stop teaching an entire class in order to give medication to every child in their class who needs it when they need it.<br /><br />These physical, emotional, and systemic conditions can happen to anyone at any time. They are not qualified by ethnicity, gender, socio-economic strata or anything else. Any child can find herself in need of a nurse's aid on any given day.<br /><br />If your child hasn't needed a nurse's attention, count yourself lucky. But, that's all that it is. Just luck. <br /><br />The nurse is more than a caretaker of skinned knees. He/She is a critical component of the care our children recieve while in the care of the school. It has long been the responsibility of our schools to do more than 'school' our children. They are fed in schools. They are transported by the schools. In these respects, we demand that our children remain safe. <br /><br />Having unqualified school personnel administer potentially-fatal medication is not safe. Having untrained school personnel<br />be responsible for recognizing complex medical situations is not safe. Having nurses on-site for only some days and not others...is not safe.<br /><br />This should not be an issue of politics, big government vs. small, or budgets. There are minimun standards that we should expect for our children. This is one of those.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-2391392270811514292014-03-28T16:02:15.231-04:002014-03-28T16:02:15.231-04:00Buckets and Buckets of money... so let's diver...Buckets and Buckets of money... so let's divert the funds as was done last year from school nurses to Imaginon. That's a much more worthy cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-28947638947228931072014-03-28T15:58:16.123-04:002014-03-28T15:58:16.123-04:00Huh...Wiley Coyote, your post looks remarkably sim...Huh...Wiley Coyote, your post looks remarkably similar to a reply I got from a Republican Commissioner. Any relation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-48080672643585709962014-03-28T14:32:09.206-04:002014-03-28T14:32:09.206-04:00Now that the job role has been further defined it...Now that the job role has been further defined it has already moved out of the nurse and on to a minimum of nurse practitioner and at schools with high incidences of mental health and complex health issues a doctor and a psychologist. <br /><br />It's nice to think the average nurse will be able to save the edge cases. Do something as simple as taking your average nurse in suburban doctors office and drop them into the ER of a major city on a Friday night. Reality won't reflect the ideal.<br /><br />It's fun to throw numbers around and <br />then applaud it as fact based. Most of the numbers are self regulated and administered without any nurse. The better numbers would be for what conditions is a qualified medical person required for the successful administration of the drug or procedure.<br /><br />The US is no longer willing and to some extent able to afford these nice to haves at the expense of other students. Too long has the average student been ignored while money is lavished on the current pet project being present as but its for the children.<br /><br />It's great there are those who can post their name, but for us others who have dealt with CMS and know the petty games principals and teachers play I am glad to still be able to comment anonymously on Ann's blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-81622970100263805152014-03-28T13:37:43.753-04:002014-03-28T13:37:43.753-04:00Anon 11:02pm...
"And to correct an earlier p...Anon 11:02pm...<br /><br />"And to correct an earlier poster, the debate to start public education actually came from the fear of the rising numbers of catholic schools. Politicians sensing this rise of this one demographic to a better lifestyle than others, started all these reasons for public education."<br /><br />Yep. <br /><br />But not just a better lifestyle as much as access to public money. <br /><br />Just look up Horace Mann and the battles between Protestants and Catholics for government funding of schools in the early 1800's.<br /><br />The public schools (or common schools) were basically founded to keep Catholics from getting public money.<br /><br />And now with the further "secularization" of public schools, Protestants now want public money for their religious schools, too.<br /><br />You can see that in a few of the Charter schools out there with somewhat religious influences.<br /><br />A lot of the recent (say last 40 years or so) move away from public schools was due to fear of "human secularism" in our public schools, among other things.<br /><br />Even though, officially, religion (prayer) was removed from schools in the 1950's, it still remained in many schools in the South through the early 1970's (and is still accessible today through "clubs").<br /><br />But now, it's moved even beyond religion into other areas of "social" concern.<br /><br />I'm not so sure the "rich and influential" in THEIR private schools worry so much about these types of things, though.<br /><br />They have bigger (or maybe smaller) fish to fry.<br /><br />(Like all the rest of us commoners...)<br /><br /><br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-42402199352905650072014-03-28T13:04:18.504-04:002014-03-28T13:04:18.504-04:00Pamela wrote:
"Public schools are indeed str...Pamela wrote:<br /><br />"Public schools are indeed strongest when they serve the entire community,..." <br /><br />The public schools were not created to serve the "entire community".<br /><br />They were started as a way to deliver SOME education to the "poor".<br /><br />So don't be surprised when the rich and influential send their kids to private school.<br /><br />That has ALWAYS been their privilege (and usually their choice).<br /><br />Private schools existed in this country long before public schools were created.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-11958672021451209002014-03-28T08:58:19.024-04:002014-03-28T08:58:19.024-04:00Agree, we should be thinking of the overall health...Agree, we should be thinking of the overall health and learning of ALL our students. The American Academy of Pediatrics also recommends a total of 2 hours of screen time per day for ALL children and later start times for teenaged students. Both of these items are not supported by CMS. <br /><br />We hope the nurses can get behind these "causes" as well, as they affect the health and learning of far more CMS students than get cuts and bruises.Charles Channoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3001377667551057092014-03-27T23:02:18.065-04:002014-03-27T23:02:18.065-04:00I have followed this school nurse debate for the l...I have followed this school nurse debate for the last two years. While I understand the parent and child side of it, from personal experience, I'm not so sure a story or two here and there sways my taxpayer role. <br /><br />And to correct an earlier poster, the debate to start public education actually came from the fear of the rising numbers of catholic schools. Politicians sensing this rise of this one demographic to a better lifestyle than others, started all these reasons for public education. Years ago, Ben Bernake, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve, said the reason for the increasing gap in income was because the upper class figured out what beyond a classroom education was needed to get ahead in the world. It is just an opportunity gap. <br /><br />But, before you launch off any more posts, what we have now, is a far cry from public education. It is only big government indoctrination. <br /><br />While I have disagreed with the budget treatment of the NC public education system the last 8 years or so, we had been put in a bind by Washington and the courts. Our exploding Medicaid budget has sapped the economic engine of this state. Additionally, just like those that pine for forced integration to return to CMS, many believe the textile, tobacco and furniture businesses will return to NC. Not going to happen.<br /><br />Lastly, only for tonight, educators and educrats have done themselves no favor in this state. They continue to dream for yesteryear when they could teach and graduate non-readers. When the state would give more money to schools, educrats loaded up central offices and dreamed up new curriculum they then could travel about and consult other school systems about depleting their budgets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-17214527377336907312014-03-27T22:54:29.364-04:002014-03-27T22:54:29.364-04:00Buckets of money.
CMS gets about $355 million fro...Buckets of money.<br /><br />CMS gets about $355 million from the County, so if the County provides funding for nurses, does it matter if the money comes from the Health Department? It's still the County.<br /><br />We the people will be paying for it no matter which bucket of money it comes from.<br /><br /><b>School Nurse<br />Student Services Job Description</b><br /><br />http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/work4ncschools/employment/jobdescrip/nursejob.pdf <br /><br />The average monthly salary from the NCDPI website for a school nurse is $3,880 per month, or for 9 months $35,000.<br /><br />159 schools in CMS, it will cost about $5.6 million per year (average).<br /><br />Seems like a bargain to me for the benefits gained.<br /><br />If my numbers are off base, let me know. I used the NCDPI 2013 salary chart.<br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-41165677783476475162014-03-27T19:12:43.191-04:002014-03-27T19:12:43.191-04:00Training the art teacher in first aid doesn't ...Training the art teacher in first aid doesn't provide the assessment, interventional and education skills an educated registered nurse would bring to a school. Your child's school may have 99 bumps and bruises every school year, but the 100th kid who falls may be the one who sustains a head injury that won't be recognized by the social studies teacher, ond the one life saved would be worth the cost of every school nurse in the system. I wouldn't expect a nurse to teach math, and it's not fair to expect the math teacher to be a nurse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-43895261937054323342014-03-27T17:46:44.766-04:002014-03-27T17:46:44.766-04:00I appreciate good healthy debate on these topics b...I appreciate good healthy debate on these topics but am certainly a strong supporter of a nurse in every school. Just so people are aware, as Carrie stated, nurses in Mecklenburg county are NOT paid for through CMS funding. The funding comes form the Health Dept and they get it from the county. The people to write to if you want more nurses in our schools are the county commissioners. We would be grateful if this is something you support that you go to our website at www.ncpash.weebly.com and go to the "How to Help" tab and cut and paste an email to our elected officials! They will prioritize the health and safety of our children if they hear from their constituents! Healthy children learn better and parents have the power to bring more nurses to our schools!Teri Saurerhttp://www.ncpash.weebly.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-31268970309782795662014-03-27T17:19:58.015-04:002014-03-27T17:19:58.015-04:00Thank you, Carrie, for your great, fact-based comm...Thank you, Carrie, for your great, fact-based comments.<br /><br />5 p.m.: It is unfortunate that our recent mayors sent their children to private schools. It is equally unfortunate that so many of our community's business leaders send their children to private schools. Public schools are indeed strongest when they serve the entire community, and when the entire community is thus aware of and personally invested in what happens in public schools. I wonder how many of the state legislators who passed the "Read to Achieve" act, which has wreaked such havoc in third grade across the state this year, were the parents or grandparents of second or third graders in North Carolina public schools. <br /><br />Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-70050945349245376602014-03-27T17:00:25.308-04:002014-03-27T17:00:25.308-04:00I just read that both the previous two mayors, whi...I just read that both the previous two mayors, while they were products of CMS, they chose to send their kids to very expensive private schools. Charlotte needs leaders who have a vested interest in this school system! Talk is cheap!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-55821493525046920172014-03-27T16:40:54.573-04:002014-03-27T16:40:54.573-04:00Thanks "Anonymous" for your question.
C...Thanks "Anonymous" for your question.<br /><br />Currently, the CMS ratio is 1 nurse/1,124 children. I've taken this number from the Mecklenburg County Health Department. It is the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that has created the recommendation of 1 Nurse/750 children, not me. Right now there are middle schools with over 1500 students and High Schools with over 2000 students, and just 1 nurse. In elementary schools, many nurses split their time between 2 schools and are there just 2 days/week.<br /><br />A nurse in every school and the more comprehensive approach I described is also backed by the American Academy of Pediatrics as well as by our Health Director. I've posted the link above of Dr. Plescia's presentation so that everyone has the opportunity to watch his presentation to the BOCC and not just depend on my words alone or mischaracterizations of same. <br /><br />A more comprehensive approach should not be mischaracterized as a "doc in the box". Right now a nurses's skills are underutilized due to the high student to nurse ratio and/or being at a school part-time. For example, I saw this article recently in Charlotte Magazine: http://www.charlottemagazine.com/Charlotte-Magazine/March-2014/Heroin-in-Charlotte/. This was a quote: Very little drug education is required in Charlotte-Mecklenburg high schools—just one semester of health for all four years. “That’s part of the problem,” says Deb Kaclik, director of arts, health, physical education, and pre-K-12 curriculum support programs for CMS." <br /><br />To me, drug education is one of many coordinated programs that a nurse could be utilized to reach out to our children through education and even identifying those that may have mental health issues. Again, a effective and cost efficient approach with far reaching benefits to the County as a whole.<br /><br />As someone that has worked with foster children and children that have been abused/neglected, a child that comes to the office with a "tummy ache" doesn't always have an illness. Our elementary school nurses aren't there daily and record keeping is a problem. The so called "repeat offenders" in a nurses office might have more going on than what appears to the eye. A nurse can catch this. <br /><br />As Mr. McClung points out, a nurse acts as an important medical liaison between children's families and staff. Not only in obtaining appropriate medical records, but education and training. For example, a child with a food allergy requires much more than knowing how to handle an epipen. The majority of effort for a child such as this is in the prevention. If that fails, it is in recognizing the sometimes murky symptoms of recognizing anaphylaxis in time and then administering the epinephrine. <br /><br />Yes - nurses do benefit children with chronic conditions. The founders of our country decided long ago that public education benefited society as a whole. Moreover, thanks to civil rights, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, the Americans with Disabilities Act and the IDEA, children, even those with disabilities, are entitled to a Free Appropriate and Public Education. <br /><br />Additionally, chronic conditions are rising. There are 1 in 13 children with a severe, life threatening food allergy and over 11,000 children in CMS. It's an epidemic doctors don't understand. Asthma - over 17,000 children in Mecklenburg County suffer from this. Over 8,000 children have mental health conditions. Over 300 children with Diabetes. I believe Epilepsy is approximately 2,000. Thankfully for these parents and children, our medical technology is life saving. Comments above mention that nurses would be just for the "few". Well, these are large numbers and educators that care for these and ALL children do need help and support.<br /><br />I think this is good discourse and enjoy batting around ideas with the intent of bettering our Community. That's why I want to sign my name and stand by my positions, although I'm open to listening to others. <br /><br />Thank You,<br />Carrie Merner<br />Carrie Mernernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-72258636287504897682014-03-27T16:11:43.755-04:002014-03-27T16:11:43.755-04:00Teri, I think our kids deserve more. Too bad Heat...Teri, I think our kids deserve more. Too bad Heath doesn't see it that way and give up some of his myriad of assistants on central staff for the sake of providing a nurse in every school. Alas, we see where his priorities are.Corneliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07373595748404529477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-52344508977828398262014-03-27T15:16:22.645-04:002014-03-27T15:16:22.645-04:00There is really no way to explain how scary a seiz...There is really no way to explain how scary a seizure is until you see your child shaking in your arms. My daughter's eyes roll back and her body is so limp that you think she is dying and there is nothing you can do to make it stop. If emergency meds needs to be given it is RECTAL medication. A nurse is by far the best person in the school to treat a child having a seizure. Nurses do so much more than give out band aids these days. They treat children with life threatening conditions and respond to accidents and injuries every day! Children across the country have died when there was no school nurse, Please do not allow that to happen here. You cannot put a price on the life of a child. Don't our children deserve more?Teri Saurerhttp://www.ncpash.weebly.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-35069997872865287572014-03-27T14:43:21.640-04:002014-03-27T14:43:21.640-04:00Carrie, what is CMS' student/nurse ratio? Say ...Carrie, what is CMS' student/nurse ratio? Say it's 1:800 ratio, does that mean that Community house middle would have 2 FT nurses every day, and AK, Myers Park, etc... would have 3-4 FT nurses every day? Can't school staff, counselors, assistant principals take on some of the care? They could easily attend basic medical care classes. Probably 90% of medical issues at school are small concerns, such as scrapes, cramps, headaches and stomach aches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-4596673644688339582014-03-27T12:33:16.524-04:002014-03-27T12:33:16.524-04:00For example, if the seizure had in fact been immed...For example, if the seizure had in fact been immediately life-threatening, a nurse could have made a professional judgement that the seizure medication needed to be administered then and there, paperwork or no paperwork (just as the nurse at my son's school was able to administer epinephrine, even though my son had never had any kind of allergic reaction before, and thus had no doctor's authorization). In medical emergencies, a thorough understanding of what's happening and the various ways of dealing with it matters a great deal. In a non-emergency situation, an ongoing understanding of a child's condition, acquired over time, is extremely valuable. All our children deserve this kind of high-quality care, and I for one am happy to have my tax dollars pay for it. Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-9747827621645557212014-03-27T12:17:46.607-04:002014-03-27T12:17:46.607-04:00I am so sorry that you feel this way. My very hea...I am so sorry that you feel this way. My very healthy, rarely medicated 7 year old had a serious head injury at school. An injury that did require professional training as you can't expect to teach teachers and administrators about every possible scenario. With head injuries there is a window, called the lucid interval, in which the patient seems ok. It was this interval that delayed treatment for Natasha Richardson and she died. Luckily, my son's situation wasn't as serious. However, his symptoms greatly deteriorated and he required hospitalization. Additionally, another friends child suffered her first allergic reaction and was called to come get her daughter because she had chicken pox. Again, luckily it wasn't a life threatening allergy. I would argue that every student should have a nurse in his/her school - this is not an issue for the few. Also, the funding for nurses comes from the county not from CMS, so staffing nurses doesn't affect teacher staffing. Staffing teachers and administrators is a CMS issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-48759217613753723562014-03-27T11:57:31.563-04:002014-03-27T11:57:31.563-04:00Doc in a box?
H'mm. Sounds like an idea.
Ma...Doc in a box?<br /><br />H'mm. Sounds like an idea.<br /><br />Maybe we need some Chiquita Banana type "incentives" to encourage pediatricians (or clinics) to put offices near schools.<br /><br />(I mean, if we can favor a former mayors parking lot business and give nice jobs to certain well-connected church members...)Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-37446175293393299672014-03-27T11:46:08.975-04:002014-03-27T11:46:08.975-04:00It's unfortunate that we live in a society whe...It's unfortunate that we live in a society where it is easier (and probably more urgent) to put police in schools rather than nurses.<br /><br />I can remember a time when we didn't NEED police in schools.<br /><br />But that's the problem we're facing now, especially with limited funds.<br /><br />Except for more central office workers, of course.<br /><br />Not that there'd be anything like cronyism (or any other type of corruption) in Charlotte/Meck Co...<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.com