tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post2120934695181152369..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: CMS Teach for America fee: $510,000Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46631609770094928672013-03-28T13:03:13.143-04:002013-03-28T13:03:13.143-04:00If I'm not mistaken more than 60 percent of al...If I'm not mistaken more than 60 percent of alumni corps members from Charlotte continue to work in education following their two year commitment. I understand this number is likely above the national average; however, I felt that should be pointed out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-66108083980979658012013-03-26T14:21:53.735-04:002013-03-26T14:21:53.735-04:00I am just glad Vilma is on the CMS BOE. Every time...I am just glad Vilma is on the CMS BOE. Every time she opens her mouth she confirms how rediculous this BOE is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-42540866602230704492013-03-20T14:45:30.859-04:002013-03-20T14:45:30.859-04:00Anon 11:12am.
I think you've just said what m...Anon 11:12am.<br /><br />I think you've just said what many of us outside the educracy were suspecting.<br /><br />I really don't wonder why we have the performance problems we have in our schools when I know that the teachers do not come from the top half of entering freshmen.<br /><br />I think that is the first step to changing the respect they get.<br /><br />I've had teachers like those you've mentioned who did not know their material.<br /><br />Especially math and science.<br /><br />Their obvious deficiencies start showing up as early as the fifth grade in many cases.<br /><br />Pretty sad.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-49593853409249481222013-03-20T11:12:52.277-04:002013-03-20T11:12:52.277-04:00I am not a TFA teacher, but I did my undergrad at ...I am not a TFA teacher, but I did my undergrad at a highly ranked school that churns out a lot of TFAers. <br /><br />I teach elementary, and frankly, I would put my own child in a class with a TFAer over a traditional teacher (if I knew nothing else about the two teachers in question) EVERY TIME. Half the elementary teachers in the district can't do a 4th grade level math problem (as I saw in orientation when I first started). So yeah, TFA teachers may not have experience teaching, but at least they have some sense of mastery over the material they teach. <br /><br />Its hard for me to say this, as I consider myself a competent traditional teacher...that is the reality of our public schools. You just can't win as an intelligent teacher. If you go TFA, you lose respect because people assume you're not going to stick it out. If you go the traditional route, people assume you're an idiot. I knew the pay was low in teaching, but what a travesty that the respect from society is low too (and really, I can't blame society when I see how deficient so many teachers are).<br /><br />So from a teacher: increase our pay, use that higher pay to recruit better people, and for cyring out loud, fire ineffective teachers. I care about the children and I care about my profession. We won't have higher respect OR better results for kids until we get better people in, and bad people out.<br /><br />Sorry for the long, rambling post (using my short lunch break!!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-150239326819089872013-03-20T09:16:00.620-04:002013-03-20T09:16:00.620-04:00From the UNC Report:
Teach For America:
"Mos...From the UNC Report:<br /><br />Teach For America:<br />"Most effective source of early-career teachers (0-5 yrs) in North Carolina Public Schools. More effective in 94 comparisons, less effective in 0, and no different in 35"<br /><br />VIF<br />"Performance is slightly above average: More effective in 19 comparisons, less effective in 17, and no different in 83"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-44791018762724829202013-03-20T06:55:50.451-04:002013-03-20T06:55:50.451-04:00Wow Ann:
The report above is great. Is shows tha...Wow Ann:<br /><br />The report above is great. Is shows that in five years only about 10 percent of the TFA Teachers stay. <br /><br />Now where is that report I had that showed we had a 16 percent turn over rate in Mecklenburg, and then make that five times that and ... sorry my head hurts when I think too much. <br /><br />But at least this report did tell you from the start that is was to show that UNC had some great Teaching Grads. <br /><br />And all those others who use terms like cheap labor or what ever they use, must not have been in an office lately with so many temps and the like doing so much work that others who were full time use to do. <br /><br />Sadly we are just going to have to accept competition once again in this country, and some folks are not going to the golden ribbon at the end of the race. But at least that will make them try harder if they really want it. <br />Ettolrahchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291283028895857071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-21337010230674068912013-03-19T19:59:21.615-04:002013-03-19T19:59:21.615-04:00Another report comparing programs.
http://www.ncl...Another report comparing programs.<br /><br />http://www.ncleg.net/documentsites/committees/JLEOC/Committee%20Meetings/2011-2012%20Committee%20Meetings/February%207-8,%202012/Alisa%20Chapman%20and%20Gary%20Henry-UNC%20Teacher%20Quality%20Researchl.pdfMS Teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-54188523020024464502013-03-19T19:55:13.907-04:002013-03-19T19:55:13.907-04:00Anon 7:11
I recall the opposite. I think Judge M...Anon 7:11<br /><br />I recall the opposite. I think Judge Manning is a big fan of programs like TFA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-90342112530284526642013-03-19T19:53:41.001-04:002013-03-19T19:53:41.001-04:00Ann-
You should take a look at this recent report...Ann-<br /><br />You should take a look at this recent report out of UNC. Compares teacher effectiveness from lots of sources including TFA and VIF.<br /><br />http://publicpolicy.unc.edu/research/PortalsEffectivenessReport.pdfMS Teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-49548152047888513342013-03-19T19:11:59.002-04:002013-03-19T19:11:59.002-04:00I seem to recall Judge Manning said young inexperi...I seem to recall Judge Manning said young inexperienced teachers (like TFA's) were not what he wanted in urban schools teaching these at risk kids. But of course from what he said, Judge Manning never set foot in a CMS urban classroom. But I stand to be corrected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-5356437821190604112013-03-19T18:16:24.932-04:002013-03-19T18:16:24.932-04:00No one has mentioned one of the real reasons schoo...No one has mentioned one of the real reasons schools use TFA teachers; they are cheap labor. They are also disposable labor. <br /><br />You know what you get when you buy cheap products? The same thing you get when you hire cheap labor. <br /><br />In this case, it is our students who suffer. <br /><br />They deserve better. thegaybladehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04952480846030698706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-88035699380523879192013-03-19T18:01:46.488-04:002013-03-19T18:01:46.488-04:00MOrrison , His significantly larger staff and the ...MOrrison , His significantly larger staff and the BofE<br /><br /><br />FALSE PROPHETSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-55356190585794705432013-03-19T17:54:19.123-04:002013-03-19T17:54:19.123-04:00Some of you are raising good questions about the c...Some of you are raising good questions about the cost and benefits of TFA, Teach Charlotte and (in an email) VIF. I'd love to clone myself and do an independent audit of those and other programs during budget season. Failing that, I'm wondering how much Heath Morrison will use his significantly larger staff to report out on such things. It's impossible to get to everything at once, but that seems like great info for him and the public to have.Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-31599990208656199552013-03-19T17:32:17.292-04:002013-03-19T17:32:17.292-04:00Ann, you need to ask about Teach Charlotte and how...Ann, you need to ask about Teach Charlotte and how much has been spent on them and the ROI. It isn't good!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-36382199383643632252013-03-19T17:13:52.546-04:002013-03-19T17:13:52.546-04:00Project LIFT is unsustainable; a waste of time, mo...Project LIFT is unsustainable; a waste of time, money and resources.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-7088949748519640442013-03-19T16:34:52.669-04:002013-03-19T16:34:52.669-04:00Will project lift continue funding for this progra...Will project lift continue funding for this program on westside? They are not renewing some big partners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-65286679442784065642013-03-19T16:18:49.173-04:002013-03-19T16:18:49.173-04:00My vote for TFA is yes - it is well worth the effo...My vote for TFA is yes - it is well worth the effort for the students and for the TFA teachers.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-5071171623301876212013-03-19T15:26:20.693-04:002013-03-19T15:26:20.693-04:00Alicia,
For once I totally agree with you on th...Alicia,<br /> For once I totally agree with you on the k-2 elementary age groups. Having worked alongside the foundation builders of the future as a parent and teacher, it's amazing how much time these people give up of their lives and financial future, especially the new hires over the last five years. Lateral entries, as well, are made to jump through hoops that, in many cases, are totally irrelevant. Finally, I can't imagine TFA or CMS ever releasing the amount of folks that take a hike just during first semester. When you have an easy out, it's not exactly a seven week boot camp prior to shipping to Viet Nam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-54431920767668104752013-03-19T13:58:34.231-04:002013-03-19T13:58:34.231-04:00No way Pam, I spent my four years in elementray sc...No way Pam, I spent my four years in elementray school and it did nothing for me.Ettolrahchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291283028895857071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-1366735702624587602013-03-19T12:05:33.769-04:002013-03-19T12:05:33.769-04:00Alicia,
It does seem to make a lot of folks feel ...Alicia,<br /><br />It does seem to make a lot of folks feel special, but I've been around enough to see its limitations. <br /><br />Thanks, though.Pamela Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943163941449936300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-65103847549516011862013-03-19T12:04:44.869-04:002013-03-19T12:04:44.869-04:00Jeff,
"But I have seen evidence of TFA alums...Jeff,<br /><br />"But I have seen evidence of TFA alums deciding after 2 or 3 years of teaching that they suddenly have all the right answers of how to fix education and that's what has directly led us to this current wave of education reform that is doing nothing positive on the overall for our students."<br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />AliciaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-12802430127168726242013-03-19T11:56:13.587-04:002013-03-19T11:56:13.587-04:0010:08
Pamela,
I don't know, a degree from Yale...10:08<br />Pamela,<br />I don't know, a degree from Yale might make me feel a little special. That made me laugh.<br /><br />On the subject of charter schools - like TFA I think the jury is still out. Some have proven themselves while others don't perform any better than traditional public schools. <br /><br />You're the historian, for better and for worse, American education always seems to be reinventing itself. <br /><br />Alicia<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-8702478858556255602013-03-19T11:41:11.513-04:002013-03-19T11:41:11.513-04:00Why do we continue to pass off teaching as somethi...Why do we continue to pass off teaching as something completely different than some other job?<br /><br />Every job has pros and cons. Every job has stressors and easy parts. I have no doubt there are some people who have become teachers and figured out how to coast by on the bare minimum.<br /><br />The fact is teaching is inherently among the more stressful jobs out there, yet for whatever reason many of the commenters around here seem to think it's an easy-peasy gig.<br /><br />TFA is an interesting concept that has merit, but my opinion is TFA is overused and relied up too heavily in many school districts and perpetuates the belief that anybody can be a so-called good teacher if they just tried hard enough or went to a name university. That's garbage.<br /><br />And I see very little evidence of an enduring relationship between TFA alums and the schools they taught at.<br /><br />But I have seen evidence of TFA alums deciding after 2 or 3 years of teaching that they suddenly have all the right answers of how to fix education and that's what has directly led us to this current wave of education reform that is doing nothing positive on the overall for our students.Jeff Wisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-68170718032132358592013-03-19T11:39:02.933-04:002013-03-19T11:39:02.933-04:002:48
Pamela,
You bring up a great point. I taugh...2:48<br />Pamela,<br /><br />You bring up a great point. I taught a specific subject area at the university level and as a lateral entry high school teacher which I didn't feel required a lot of training in general education. I could have used a classroom management course prior to my high school teaching stint but having expertise in the particular subject area I taught was the most important thing.<br /><br />I'm currently enrolled in a post-bac. program for regular classroom elementary school licensure. I complete student teaching next school year. I can assure you there is NO way I could walk into a 4th grade classroom and effectively teach my way through the school year without the education courses and training the state of NC is requiring me to complete. I don't know how anyone could do this. You are correct. The assumption is often that high school is harder to teach than Kindergarten. It's not. Not only this, but the early grades set the foundation for everything else yet to come.<br /><br />The head of the TFA program at Harvard has acknowledged the program may be perpetuating the very things it is trying to solve. As a parent, I'd probably be fine with a TFA recruit from Brown teaching my children AP Calculus. I would not be OK with a TFA teacher standing in front of my child's 2nd grade class.<br /><br />Alicia<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-920762782144467752013-03-19T11:38:42.016-04:002013-03-19T11:38:42.016-04:00Ettolrahc,
You might want to brush up on your own...Ettolrahc,<br /><br />You might want to brush up on your own reading skills, as you have managed to miss virtually every point I was making.<br /><br />Overall, despite much propaganda to the contrary, charter schools do not perform better than comparable public schools. A handful do better; a much larger percentage do worse. Online and for-profit charters perform especially badly. Check the CREDO study.Pamela Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943163941449936300noreply@blogger.com