tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post2153907310028498330..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Voucher debate sparks civil rights rhetoricUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-50099843425651445512014-06-16T07:38:45.856-04:002014-06-16T07:38:45.856-04:00Anon 5:46pm.
I have no doubt that "service&q...Anon 5:46pm.<br /><br />I have no doubt that "service" will appear for $4000 a head.<br /><br />It already has.<br /><br />But without proper supervision, it is just as likely to be worse as better than what we currently have.<br /><br />I'd like some proof that the vouchers are going to a BETTER education than the public one they are leaving behind.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-31442064959388848162014-06-15T17:46:52.622-04:002014-06-15T17:46:52.622-04:00Shamash,
once the voucher program is approved, and...Shamash,<br />once the voucher program is approved, and make no mistake, it will be. There will be plenty of little $4,000 private schools popping up all over the state. Just as we see with charter school management companies, where there is money to be made, the service will be provided. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-42657430826255481702014-06-15T13:15:23.125-04:002014-06-15T13:15:23.125-04:00we would need to replace the current republicans i...we would need to replace the current republicans in the legislature with those practical ones you suggest.<br /><br />how, exactly, have they met their campaign promises? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46562094792871643052014-06-15T12:30:39.173-04:002014-06-15T12:30:39.173-04:00I don't mind religious schools getting funding...I don't mind religious schools getting funding. I don't mind vouchers. I think teachers should get a raise and have a solid pay plan. The courts never should have been given the amount of power they have. The courts have been loaded with activists judges that care not for the constitution. The courts are part of the problem with public education. Catholic schools have always done a good job. I'd rather see my kid go to Steubenville University then Stanford. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-83391325859700736362014-06-14T13:15:37.553-04:002014-06-14T13:15:37.553-04:00I was hoping practical Republicans would fix the t...I was hoping practical Republicans would fix the teachers pay issue. I was surprised by last summers legislation. It seemed out of touch with the needs of NC. I agreed with getting rid of tenure until I researched what "tenure" meant in NC. It is really just basic documentation and a third party review. It's nothing like California or New York. It's not much different then any large organization. Sometimes bad manager's or principals will be hired. You don't want to lose good employees or teachers over a poor leadership issue. From other articles I have read, North Carolina principals do not have a problem with tenure. This is not the case in California or New York. I believe NC needs to focus on NC. Being a Republican, I believe local issues should be solved by local constituent's. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-26369544535606074812014-06-14T12:57:28.001-04:002014-06-14T12:57:28.001-04:00Schools should be implemented at the local level. ...Schools should be implemented at the local level. Not federal, state or county. The further away decision makers are, the worst things get. Look at CMS and all the competing interest. This would be real reform. I think vouchers and charters are fine. I don't think it's a real long term solution. Sweden is having trouble with it's voucher system and they started at a better point and is a much smaller country. Teachers need a pay plan and away forward or NC will continue to be a revolving door. The highly paid teachers frozen at the top have 20 to 30 years in. Soon they will retire. The system will be left with? If we had smaller more flexible districts with less bureaucrats, different areas would have already tried different pay plans. Similar towns with similar issues could learn from one another. Bigger is not always better. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-68011768873902888372014-06-14T12:21:50.835-04:002014-06-14T12:21:50.835-04:005:04.. That's not the norm. My buddy has taugh...5:04.. That's not the norm. My buddy has taught 12years and doesn't even make 40. He has not had a real raise in seven years. Some older teachers where frozen at a higher pay scale. The 30 something's with families seem to be taking the hardest hit. His pay is the same as it used to be for a fifth year teacher. I am trying to get him to go to South Carolina. When I moved here my taxes were cut in half. I love my kids school and the teachers aren't going anywhere. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3065145352691002742014-06-14T11:52:17.288-04:002014-06-14T11:52:17.288-04:00"What absolutely befuddles me with this vouch..."What absolutely befuddles me with this voucher program is this: most private schools cost more than $4000 a year."<br /><br /><br />Yep. Just as I suspected, this "black" thing is a red herring.<br /><br />It's really about funding private religious schools and other schools with little oversight.<br /><br />http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/22/3643910/nc-voucher-money-likely-to-go.html<br /><br />• The average tuition of private day schools in North Carolina is $6,690.<br /><br />• Only 35 percent of schools charge tuition that could be fully paid by a voucher (i.e., $4,200 per year or less). Of those schools, more than 90 percent are religious schools. At the middle and high school level, about 95 percent are religious schools.<br /><br />• About 70 percent of the schools have no accreditation from any type of independent agency. <br /><br />------------<br /><br />I'm not sure this is a BETTER use of public money than the existing public schools.<br /><br />Why trust these people?<br /><br />And why drag race into it?Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46924673766414982142014-06-14T11:40:01.954-04:002014-06-14T11:40:01.954-04:00Here's what I'm talking about...
The REAL...Here's what I'm talking about...<br /><br />The REAL issue. <br /><br />It's NOT a "black" thing.<br /><br />http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/22/3643910/nc-voucher-money-likely-to-go.html<br /><br />"As can be seen from the findings about private schools in North Carolina, the voucher recipients – who need not show that the public schools they are leaving are low-performing or that their children are poorly served there – will nearly all be choosing very small, unaccredited religious schools with uncertified teachers and a nonstandard curriculum.<br /><br /> These “choice” schools will remain, as they are now, unaccountable to the public."<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-70845981858127046192014-06-14T11:20:01.796-04:002014-06-14T11:20:01.796-04:00Anon 9:13pm.
Amendment X. Right.
So if it's...Anon 9:13pm.<br /><br />Amendment X. Right. <br /><br />So if it's NOT in the Constitution, it can STILL be law somewhere else (states, people, etc.)<br /><br />Often, the Supreme Court rules on these things and makes them the "law of the land".<br /><br />That's how we got public schools AND state/church separation rulings.<br /><br />Even though neither are mentioned in the Constitution.<br /><br />Like it or not (and whether in the Constitution or not), those laws STILL exist.<br /><br />That's exactly how we got prayers "banned" in schools.<br /><br />And mandatory education for Chinese in California.<br /><br />It's called interpretation.<br /><br />The Constitution is NOT the ENTIRE law of the land word for word.<br /><br />But it can be used to create or enforce new laws based on interpretation and sometimes whim.<br /><br />Even you should know that since you quoted Amendment X.<br /><br /><br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-74189029118936472772014-06-14T09:16:43.261-04:002014-06-14T09:16:43.261-04:00Zoolander
I would love to make 56,000 per year. ...Zoolander<br /><br />I would love to make 56,000 per year. I am making the same as a starting teacher after 5 years at $35,000. With no hope of a raise. Teaching is a second career. I am early fifties and do not have enough time left to make that amount of money - that is if they ever unfreeze the steps. What is frustrating to me is that after teachers have a few years of experience, they are as effective as veteran teachers. It perplexes me that people essentially doing the same job proficiently are paid with such disparity. Experienced teachers with more years make at least $15,000 more per year than me - but we both do the same job and have the same expectations for proficiency. When people quote the average salary of teachers at 45,000 it does to truly illustrate the numbers of proficient, hard working teachers with years of experience stuck at the starting salary. Each year my health insurance goes up. I pay $1,000 per month - 1/3rd of my salary for my families health insurance. I can't afford to stay teaching. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-14731820027186301682014-06-14T06:17:44.557-04:002014-06-14T06:17:44.557-04:005:45,
It's Due Process in NC, this is NC, ...5:45,<br /> It's Due Process in NC, this is NC, a right to work state with a history of killing union wannabes (Loray Mill). Evidently you haven't been in a CMS school where staff (teachers included) disappear regularly for Facebook comments, meltdowns, poor performance, slapping out of control students during school emergencies, and hundreds of other "issues" HR has swept under the rug since I started in the mid 70's. Unless you have legal representation, good luck on that "Tenure" hokum.<br /> Good luck also on that accountability with the for profit Charter models. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-39019201669007404872014-06-13T21:13:35.483-04:002014-06-13T21:13:35.483-04:00sham...
AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to ...sham...<br /><br />AMENDMENT X<br /><br />The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-61474472117961975112014-06-13T20:03:36.160-04:002014-06-13T20:03:36.160-04:00Pay has been frozen since BEFORE the Republicans t...Pay has been frozen since BEFORE the Republicans took over. Let's call it like it is: Forced bussing and later the infamous "equity" formula have failed to make a dent in the ALL IMPORTANT but still elusive " achievement gap." Taxpayers are frustrated, disgusted, fed up. Who can blame them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16821258539871169802014-06-13T18:15:51.256-04:002014-06-13T18:15:51.256-04:00H'mmm. I think I smell an agenda here...
Che...H'mmm. I think I smell an agenda here...<br /><br />Checking THIS list of applications for the scholarship:<br /><br />http://www.ncseaa.edu/documents/OPS%20by%20Nonpublic%20school%2014-15.pdf<br /><br />It appears that two of the most popular schools are Islamic.<br /><br />Greensboro Islamic Academy - 170 applications<br /><br />http://www.icg-nc.org/GIA.html<br /><br />Al-Iman School - 86 applications<br /><br />http://alimanschool.org/<br /><br />Well, now I guess we can see why this was presented as a "black" thing by its supporters.<br /><br />It would be interesting to see just how much of this scholarship money goes to religious schools.<br /><br />If it is allocated "fairly", i.e., at random, then I'd suspect (without doing a formal tally)that most of it does.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85586953175942036272014-06-13T17:45:06.506-04:002014-06-13T17:45:06.506-04:00Nationally teacher tenure is also sparking a civil...Nationally teacher tenure is also sparking a civil rights discussion. A California judge just ruled that tenure is unconstitutional because it punishes children by keeping incompetent or unmotivated teachers in their jobs. The judge cited evidence that teacher job protection laws "disproportionately affect poor and/or minority students."<br /><br />The pay may be lower in NC, but tenure is alive and well here. White children in NC are often able to attend private and charter schools, where more accountability exists and tenure is not practiced. Minority children tend to attend the regular schools, where teacher jobs are protected by the practice of tenure (or by "due process," as it's known euphemistically).<br /><br />This is not a story that the left-leaning media likes to tell because it makes the Democratic party appear morally bankrupt. Democratic politicians claim to be interested in civil rights, but they get their money from the unions whose first priority is job protection.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-42411253205742386272014-06-13T17:04:20.001-04:002014-06-13T17:04:20.001-04:00I'm hearing a lot about teacher pay and wonder...I'm hearing a lot about teacher pay and wondering why over half the teachers at my son's CMS elementary school are making between $56,000 - $76,000. That includes PE, Art, curriculum facilitators, K, 1, 2, teachers. That sounds like a lot of money to me, and working only 10 months a year, with many days off throughout the school year. Why all the complaining?Zoolandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-88692842707821355402014-06-13T16:06:43.277-04:002014-06-13T16:06:43.277-04:00I used to wander why teachers kept asking for rais...I used to wander why teachers kept asking for raises. I talked to my daughter's teacher and found out about the frozen pay. Seven years without a plan is awful. They are all just frozen. I looked at their pay before the freeze. It really wasn't very good. It is sad that NC has let it get so low. Something needs to be done. We need some real leadership in this state. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-41265188888806979332014-06-13T16:00:31.203-04:002014-06-13T16:00:31.203-04:00Anon 2:48pm
"the words 'separation of ch...Anon 2:48pm<br /><br />"the words 'separation of church and state' are not found in our constitution."<br /><br />Neither are "public schools"...Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3557173542182209152014-06-13T15:56:58.732-04:002014-06-13T15:56:58.732-04:00But I do agree that we should know who gets this m...But I do agree that we should know who gets this money and how much they are getting as a part of transparency.<br /><br />I do suspect that a LOT of it goes to religious schools, though, based on the list.<br /><br />And just how many "Reverends" are benefitting from these funds.<br /><br />It would be interesting to know if there is an issue with that, too.<br /><br />Perhaps another day.<br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16936747664819417732014-06-13T15:56:15.133-04:002014-06-13T15:56:15.133-04:00It our wired hillbilly state would just have a nor...It our wired hillbilly state would just have a normal teacher pay plan and stuck with it. I do not have anything against vouchers or school choice. I moved here because I liked my local school. My wife and kids like it. We are loosing five teachers this year. It is not that big of a school. Some teachers in the pick up line yesterday where talking about interviews over summer. NC should have a plan for teachers. Are teachers paid too much up north? Probably. NC will always loose good teachers to the north. We are now loosing teachers to Virginia,Tennessee, Georgia, Indiana and South Carolina. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-79674889400490535402014-06-13T15:54:14.448-04:002014-06-13T15:54:14.448-04:00Anon 2:43
The reason I mentioned religious school...Anon 2:43<br /><br />The reason I mentioned religious schools is that I went to the website for the scholarship and found the link showing a list of schools, of which MANY were religious:<br /><br />http://www.ncseaa.edu/documents/NPSwithoutCode.pdf<br /><br />In fact, I would say the vast majority of the schools in that list are religious based on their names.<br /><br />I also watched a video where a father talked about how he was able to send his kids to a school which taught "his values" and the Bible.<br /><br />So, I wasn't just pulling that possibility out of nowhere...<br /><br />(It's just that people often complain when I cite all my sources, so I've learned to occasionally make unsubstantiated comments...)<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85198627788517982812014-06-13T14:48:43.587-04:002014-06-13T14:48:43.587-04:002:43 the words "separation of church and stat...2:43 the words "separation of church and state" are not found in our constitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-23158379917566643832014-06-13T14:45:37.513-04:002014-06-13T14:45:37.513-04:002:43, these scholarships can go to religious schoo...2:43, these scholarships can go to religious schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-42728540193354367752014-06-13T14:43:39.176-04:002014-06-13T14:43:39.176-04:00Well Shamash, that would be illegal. Public monies...Well Shamash, that would be illegal. Public monies for education in a religious sector completely goes against the separation of church and state. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com