tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post2611264186972625868..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: CMS raises and charter costs: A math challengeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-26863654314315023302014-03-25T17:30:29.921-04:002014-03-25T17:30:29.921-04:00Shamash, you might not think you and your kids rep...Shamash, you might not think you and your kids represent any one but yourselves, but that is from your perspective. I guarantee you that at some point in time someone who is different from you has looked at you as representative of folks who share your race/background/heritage or what ever you want to call it. It happens all the time. You might not feel any responsibility to anyone but yourself, but not everyone feels that way and like it or not you are being judged. We all are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-87274928802398202142014-03-25T16:33:29.792-04:002014-03-25T16:33:29.792-04:00Ettlorach,
With regards to the elist attitude at s...Ettlorach,<br />With regards to the elist attitude at some charter schools, this is parent's view of Lake Norman Charter. Of course this is merely one person's opinion. <br /><br />"Very rigid administration and teachers. Little flexibility and little encouragement for students. Arrogant, "better than everybody else" attitude permeates the school." <br />—Submitted by a parent<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-10031918931528807642014-03-24T18:49:57.251-04:002014-03-24T18:49:57.251-04:00Central purchasing, but otherwise break up CMS. 5 ...Central purchasing, but otherwise break up CMS. 5 smaller districts sound about right. They already have the area superintendents in place. Get rid of Heath (Mr. uh, um, uh) and more local control.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-2998934503011320882014-03-24T10:59:58.749-04:002014-03-24T10:59:58.749-04:00The reason I mention diversity is this. People con...The reason I mention diversity is this. People continue to claim that charters do a better job of educating children, I disagree. It is very clear that what most charters do exceptiaonally well is place people of the same social economic background under one roof. Whether you want to admit this or not, middle class kids whether white or black usually out perform poor children.<br />This is one of the reasons why most charter schools avoid certain demographics. I am not going to debate the morality of this practice, just the obvious results of it, which is that the higher performing charters exclude poor chidlren, specifically poor African American children.<br />Also, as someone else suggested in this forum,I have been reading feedback on greatschools.org regarding several local schools, both charter and traditional. Since Cabarrus Charter Academy is in my region, I was interested to learn what those parents think. Needless to say, I was a little surprised by reviews posted by the parents, there seems to be a wide variance of opinion. One parent actually stated she feels as though they, as parents, have the power to get teachers fired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16910963203172694372014-03-23T14:39:12.454-04:002014-03-23T14:39:12.454-04:00Yep. To me there is nothing to "tolerate&quo...Yep. To me there is nothing to "tolerate" about someone with a different sex, race, culture, or skin color as long as they behave well and are in school to learn.<br /><br />It's when they are disruptive and aren't there to learn that they become "intolerable" and should be avoided.<br /><br />And that has nothing to do with culture or race or skin color.<br /><br />Unless the DOJ starts playing "disparate impact" games with us all.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-53029641282390482812014-03-23T04:44:39.975-04:002014-03-23T04:44:39.975-04:00I agree with diversity in schools and am one who s...I agree with diversity in schools and am one who says we should do what we have to make them diverse. That way folks will be able to sleep at night knowing they are dancing to someone else s drum.<br /><br />So when they get out of school they can use it to decide if they want to go to say JCSU. Which is able to just say they are Historically Black and no one seems too interested in diversity at that school. Or the others. <br /><br />Or after College join the Black Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Black Journalists, Oh sorry I should post a site to see all of these. http://www.tnj.com/lists-resources/black-organizations-and-organizations-serving-black-communities<br /><br />And this one says right off it is Diversity Best Practices http://www.diversitybestpractices.com/news-articles/20-african-american-organizations-you-need-know<br /><br />So here we have so much being paid out for diversity and yet so many folks do not seem to value it when they get out of school.<br /><br />Maybe we just need to focus on melting those minds into learning instead of having them go home to very diverse neighborhoods with some grand wizard of education thinking they have done an excellent job.<br /><br />These kids need an education. Period. The rest they decide later in life. <br /><br />Like with hiring for numbers, the truth will set you free. We just need to be honest from day one, it is about what you know. Period. <br /><br /> <br />Ettolrahchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291283028895857071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-19427062212171353612014-03-22T21:31:53.478-04:002014-03-22T21:31:53.478-04:00Anon 8:11pm.
I agree. My kids represent themselv...Anon 8:11pm.<br /><br />I agree. My kids represent themselves and our family.<br /><br />Nothing more. <br /><br />Not their "race" or their SES.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-59512131616150155212014-03-22T21:21:02.157-04:002014-03-22T21:21:02.157-04:00I have taught in other states and never had as man...I have taught in other states and never had as many duties, paper work and documentation responsibilities as in NC. Say what you will, teachers in NC work hard. Talk to teachers in other states and their jaws will drop when they hear all we do. I have 3 friends that recently relocated to SC, it's a different world. I can only imagine how it is up north. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-41458562892993000422014-03-22T20:11:28.925-04:002014-03-22T20:11:28.925-04:00By being in a diverse environment kids will find t...By being in a diverse environment kids will find things in common with one another and race becomes a non-issue as well as income status and gender issues. What happens is a "melting pot" and what's lost is cultural diversity but what is gained is tolerance.<br /><br />In regards to being a "representative" being too high a burden, I think a lot of kids need to be aware that they not only represent themselves but also their family, at least that was how I and my sisters were brought up. <br /><br />Kids are naturally self centered and need to have high expectations in regards to their behavior and how it reflects on their family. Where else can we teach kids to think of others beyond themselves if we don't start first with the family unit. <br /><br />Parents who seek out charters generally do have those high expectations both towards behavior as well as grades. You will also find those parents of the students in honors classes in CMS as well. In both cases, there are high expectations placed on the teachers, as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-950761600655971602014-03-22T14:10:52.770-04:002014-03-22T14:10:52.770-04:00"Also, diversity is important for people to l..."Also, diversity is important for people to learn to appreciate other cultures..."<br /><br />OK, well at least that's one reason for diversity.<br /><br />Most often, though, it is just another name for skin color, not necessarily anything to do with culture, interests, or talents or anything else of much substance.<br /><br />But I question whether or not a child in a classroom should be there to "represent" anything other than themselves.<br /><br />That's a heavy burden to put on a kid, isn't it?<br /><br />When I was a kid, I spoke with a Boston accent (thanks Dad!), so I "represented" Yankees in a southern school full of "Rebels".<br /><br />Wow, I guess that was an education for ME, as the representative of Mason-Dixon Line "diversity" in my school.<br /><br />But what the heck, eh?<br /><br />My kids are not representatives of their "culture(s)", and neither are their friends from India, China, South Carolina, Ohio, or wherever their families happen to be from.<br /><br />OK, so what if the kid with Indian parents doesn't eat beef?<br /><br />But he still eats pepperoni pizza (shh, don't tell him about the beef) and plays Pokémon and Star Wars Lego toys and has an iPad so he knows the same games as my kids.<br /><br />We probably have more in common with his family and their "culture" than we have with the little white girl from South Carolina my daughter plays with at the library, even though we may look more like her family.<br /><br />People are really kidding themselves if they most of think this makes a difference.<br /><br />The main thing for school is that the kids are well-behaved and want to learn.<br /><br />And you can find a lot of "diversity" within a single <br />"race" if you look, so don't forget that, either.<br /><br />Diversity is not a color game anymore.<br /><br />But many still like to pretend that it is.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-2934799309976687152014-03-22T11:14:44.373-04:002014-03-22T11:14:44.373-04:00Anon 8:08pm.
"Interesting how many charters ...Anon 8:08pm.<br /><br />"Interesting how many charters are segregated. What does that say about the people who choose to go there?"<br /><br />Maybe that they're more interested in education than political correctness.<br /><br />Why don't you ask the folks at KIPP or maybe La Raza why they support "segregated" schools?<br /><br />Or maybe why there are some all-girls and all-boys schools which are successful, too.<br /><br />Perhaps they think they can learn more without all the "diversity" everyone seems to think they need.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-19985032049273565662014-03-22T09:50:05.293-04:002014-03-22T09:50:05.293-04:00There are no "for-profit" charter school...There are no "for-profit" charter schools in North Carolina?<br /><br />Whoever believes this to be true, please contact me. I have some ocean-front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-27091870105210162522014-03-22T08:43:05.198-04:002014-03-22T08:43:05.198-04:00Oh so Teachers have more scrutiny at Charters than...Oh so Teachers have more scrutiny at Charters than CMS and that is why teachers go back to CMS. Thanks for that information.<br /><br />And as far as Diversity, why not walk into the Charter Schools which have almost all Black kids and see how well they are doing with out those magic white kids sitting beside them. <br /><br />And then follow them as they go into business knowing that they are not selected for jobs based on the percentage of things, but the real ability they have.<br /><br />Someone on here said it best that diversity only matters to those who need it or use it as an excuse. <br /><br />We need to get past the excuses and teach, no more social engineering.<br /><br />Yes I added that social engineering red flag so those who scream and yell on here with out thinking can have something to do. <br /><br /><br />Ettolrahchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291283028895857071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-62423174712782763272014-03-22T07:12:35.877-04:002014-03-22T07:12:35.877-04:00Thanks to the teachers who have posted to hear a d...Thanks to the teachers who have posted to hear a different point of view of charters in the area. As a parent I had looked into and had my child in the lottery for one but we were high on the waiting list so we checked into magnets at CMS. Do not regret the decision. Where ever students go, if they go with the mindset they are there to learn, they will. Also, diversity is important for people to learn to appreciate other cultures but it may not rank in importance to safety and other factors affecting choice of schools. One thing CMS does have going for it is the middle college program. Best program ever which is why it is being expanded. Kudos to Mr. Burch and team!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-53175686742817999802014-03-21T22:47:52.030-04:002014-03-21T22:47:52.030-04:00Anon 8:52pm.
Again, not everyone values "div...Anon 8:52pm.<br /><br />Again, not everyone values "diversity" as much as they value other things.<br /><br />Whether real or imagined.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-44203207349738534712014-03-21T20:52:43.681-04:002014-03-21T20:52:43.681-04:00Ya, so since there is not enough "diversity&q...Ya, so since there is not enough "diversity" in the public schools, let's go start a charter school for all of us who are alike. Then we'll have lots of diversity. Wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-61179971326543352822014-03-21T20:51:10.602-04:002014-03-21T20:51:10.602-04:00Ettolrahc said,
"And as far as paying less,...Ettolrahc said, <br /><br />"And as far as paying less, they also have poor benefits."<br /><br />They have the same benefits as the state. They are paid by the state. The salaries are not the same. I was paid less.<br /><br />"Yet Teachers from CMS and the like love teaching at them." <br /><br />Not all teachers from CMS love teaching there. I didn't love it so I left.<br /><br />"Maybe because they are respected by, Parents, Administration and of course those who really count to them, their students."<br /><br />That is partly why I left; that and the salary. Admin at charter schools want to keep the parents happy no matter what. In many charter schools, parents are in charge and if they don't like the teacher, they can make things very difficult--justified or not. My students and I got along just fine.<br /><br />"Or you can ask the fake, I used to teach at Charter Schools folks on here." <br /><br />So just because I don't agree with you, you are going to call me a fake? How very mature of you. Speaks to YOUR credibility.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-51085939009658286932014-03-21T20:08:21.846-04:002014-03-21T20:08:21.846-04:00Interesting how many charters are segregated. Wha...Interesting how many charters are segregated. What does that say about the people who choose to go there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-39635794997364349222014-03-21T20:07:10.806-04:002014-03-21T20:07:10.806-04:00The parents and students I talked with in mostly s...The parents and students I talked with in mostly segregated middle-class to upper middle class charter schools in North Mecklenburg County did have that attitude. They didn't want their kids going to J. M. Alexander or Bradley or Hopewell or North Meck or Mallard Creek because they had "heard stories" about those schools. Those ARE facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-13163183836630255422014-03-21T20:03:14.726-04:002014-03-21T20:03:14.726-04:00Last time I checked, people paid tuition to attend...Last time I checked, people paid tuition to attend Harvard, Chapel Hill, and MIT or they had a scholarship to pay for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-51259230083599965512014-03-21T18:50:17.967-04:002014-03-21T18:50:17.967-04:00If the charters have the same performance and publ...If the charters have the same performance and public schools have more to offer (sports, technology, CTE's, theaters, band, strings, drama, dance, arts and crafts..). Than charters are like a placebo. A placebo for patents that think they are offering their children the best. Takes all kinds... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-60691592764109465542014-03-21T17:12:22.996-04:002014-03-21T17:12:22.996-04:00Charters have to pay less.
Think of it this way...Charters have to pay less. <br /><br />Think of it this way, they get about seventy percent of what CMS gets per student.<br /><br />And as far as paying less, they also have poor benefits. <br /><br />Yet Teachers from CMS and the like love teaching at them.<br /><br />Maybe because they are respected by, Parents, Administration and of course those who really count to them, their students. <br /><br />But you will have to ask them why yourself. <br /><br />Or you can ask the fake, I used to teach at Charter Schools folks on here. <br /><br />They always have something to say about charter schools. <br />Ettolrahchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291283028895857071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-19887107804293815302014-03-21T15:51:42.647-04:002014-03-21T15:51:42.647-04:00Shamesh,
I never said all charter schools students...Shamesh,<br />I never said all charter schools students/families are elitist, I said "depending on the community and charter school". I would never state that all of the families who chose charters schools are elitist, that would be a very unfair and untrue. I hope that my comment did not come across that way.<br /> I have merely noticed it with the some of the families of the charter in my region and in some of the comments made by parents on greatschools.org.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-84743672311022268302014-03-21T12:04:32.888-04:002014-03-21T12:04:32.888-04:00"Charters perform about the same depending on..."Charters perform about the same depending on demographics. Why such a big push?"<br /><br />Perhaps costs? <br /><br />After all, why pay more for the same results?<br /><br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-46936566914903105652014-03-21T11:38:07.648-04:002014-03-21T11:38:07.648-04:00Anon 10:12am.
And what, exactly, is wrong with fe...Anon 10:12am.<br /><br />And what, exactly, is wrong with feeling you're better than others because of the school you attend?<br /><br />I'm sure that NEVER happens at Harvard or MIT, or UNC Chapel Hill.<br /><br />Don't people do that with their school football and basketball teams, too?<br /><br />In fact, schools typically condone that behavior it and call it "school spirit".<br /><br />But ONLY for athletes, not academics.<br /><br />No one complains much about that, though, because that's not "elitist".<br /><br />Uh-huh.<br /><br />Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.com