tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post3215971932777513651..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: K-8 schools: Not just for poor kidsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-26681084504145002322013-04-04T10:49:44.854-04:002013-04-04T10:49:44.854-04:00Ms. Grundy,
Will you please provide your vision o...Ms. Grundy,<br /><br />Will you please provide your vision of how integration should be achieved? Thank you.dscienceguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-37188620347785477552013-04-03T21:27:53.417-04:002013-04-03T21:27:53.417-04:00Why not? It's a useful piece of information.Why not? It's a useful piece of information. Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-8217646395032412532013-04-03T21:11:32.904-04:002013-04-03T21:11:32.904-04:00Pam,
I don't need to know the road to SCOTUS ...Pam,<br /><br />I don't need to know the road to SCOTUS for a legal case.<br /><br />The facts are, Brown and Swann made it there and the ensuing judgements along with implementing government forced busing killed public education.<br /><br />You have yet to tell us your vision of how you would "integrate" CMS without busing, especially since CMS is 32% White and declining.<br /><br />Perhaps you should step into reality instead of living in your "More Perfect Charlotte" fantasyland.<br /><br />You do that and I'll read up on legal history as it relates to the road to SCOTUS.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-36007657225244784052013-04-03T20:43:27.181-04:002013-04-03T20:43:27.181-04:00Bolyn,
Thanks for reminding me about the questi...Bolyn,<br /><br />Thanks for reminding me about the question of the wide age span. I had forgotten that part. People did get very emotional about that issue. <br /><br /><br />Wiley,<br /><br />I recommend you pull yourself away from your screen and read a couple of books on legal history. You seem to be having a little trouble understanding what kind of case makes it to the Supreme Court. That would be more productive than swapping stories with like-minded but equally misinformed folks. <br /><br />Of course, if the folks in Topeka had just let Linda Brown enroll, there wouldn't have been a Topeka case. Wonder how many times they thought about that in the ensuing years. Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-18920566297514799722013-04-03T19:21:46.636-04:002013-04-03T19:21:46.636-04:002:05
The named plaintiff, Oliver L. Brown, was a...2:05 <br /><br />The named plaintiff, Oliver L. Brown, was a parent, a welder in the shops of the Santa Fe Railroad, an assistant pastor at his local church, and an African American. He was convinced to join the lawsuit by Scott, a childhood friend. <b>Brown's daughter Linda, a third grader, had to walk six blocks to her school bus stop to ride to Monroe Elementary, her segregated black school one mile (1.6 km) away, while Sumner Elementary, a white school, was seven blocks from her house.</b><br /> <br />As directed by the NAACP leadership, the parents each attempted to enroll their children in the closest neighborhood school in the fall of 1951. They were each refused enrollment and directed to the segregated schools.<br /><br />Linda Brown Thompson later recalled the experience in a 2004 PBS documentary:<br /><br /><i> . . . well. like I say, we lived in an integrated neighborhood and I had all of these playmates of different nationalities. And so when I found out that day that I might be able to go to their school, I was just thrilled, you know. And I remember walking over to Sumner school with my dad that day and going up the steps of the school and the school looked so big to a smaller child. And I remember going inside and my dad spoke with someone and then he went into the inner office with the principal and they left me out . . . to sit outside with the secretary. And while he was in the inner office, I could hear voices and hear his voice raised, you know, as the conversation went on. And then he immediately came out of the office, took me by the hand and we walked home from the school. I just couldn't understand what was happening because I was so sure that I was going to go to school with Mona and Guinevere, Wanda, and all of my playmates.</i>Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-84011681378406006632013-04-03T19:21:24.025-04:002013-04-03T19:21:24.025-04:00Check the CTE classes in middle schools. Twenty s...Check the CTE classes in middle schools. Twenty six computers and 35+ students. Try teaching learn how to key without a computer/keyboard. Or ECD STEM classes without the needed equipment or supplies! Requested supples last September, still don't have the supplies. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-73453636566876481422013-04-03T18:08:58.322-04:002013-04-03T18:08:58.322-04:00Ah yes.
Manchild.
The whole problem nicely enc...Ah yes. <br /><br />Manchild.<br /><br />The whole problem nicely encapsulated in a single word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-41606011964301959162013-04-03T17:46:59.063-04:002013-04-03T17:46:59.063-04:00PAM, YES THEY SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER.
I attended ...PAM, YES THEY SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER.<br /><br />I attended the closing meetings. It was 100% sure that mothers of 7 year-old girls were not going to let a 16-old man-child still in middle school get near their daughters.<br /><br />At the meeting with J. T. Williams' parents, probably the worst facility in CMS, 20 parents verbally jumped the CMS facilitor over everything. They wanted CMS to clean-up the school....not move the students.<br /><br />But, the problem with the outrage wasn't so much the closings but the one-sided burden....to which there was no good answer...and without a good answer it was scream bloody murder.....ask Eric Davis and Mike Raible who carried the water on that issue.<br /><br />Bolyn McClung<br />PinevilleBolynMcClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02938579006144446381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-45939454634020483542013-04-03T17:39:55.999-04:002013-04-03T17:39:55.999-04:00Or you can do like Milwaukee did and only let the ...Or you can do like Milwaukee did and only let the poor kids use the vouchers.<br /><br />The only problem with that is that the poor are not smart enough to make good school choices.<br /><br />So now Milwaukee needs to clean up the mess of so many pathetic schools running off vouchers from the poor.<br /><br />So that's more guilt money down the drain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-3036427772489949952013-04-03T17:30:29.564-04:002013-04-03T17:30:29.564-04:00ANN
Find answers. Do some investigative journalis...ANN<br /><br />Find answers. Do some investigative journalism. The answer you got is the company line. Go to Jimmy Chancey and ask is he is removing computers in the CTE classroom to 25 and what about the state mandate of 1 computer per 1 student. Most CTE classrooms have computers, now 25. The classrooms are being filled with 30 to 45 students. Go to the source and find answers. There are hundreds of teachers that can tell you the TRUTH.<br /><br />AA = Answers AnnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-77567233197549923252013-04-03T17:04:38.219-04:002013-04-03T17:04:38.219-04:00So let the good tax paying "white" folks...So let the good tax paying "white" folks out with voucher system. It wont hurt the losers who are unmotivated and overbearing on the system. Their parental support is lacking and will for most of their lives we know this. Time to stop making excuses their will always be jails to house them. Welfare for those who dont break the law and free phones provided by Mr. Obama himself. Get the free and reduced lunch , but not on my dime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-43079461785870217882013-04-03T15:56:45.908-04:002013-04-03T15:56:45.908-04:00Most people didn't "fight" de-segreg...Most people didn't "fight" de-segregation, they "switched".<br /><br />Just as they are doing today.<br /><br />Not much has really changed in 60 years.<br /><br />For the better, that is.<br /><br />And no amount of white liberal "guilt" money over the past will ever improve things, eitherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-52059678819666761572013-04-03T15:11:01.246-04:002013-04-03T15:11:01.246-04:00Inequitable for whom? Also a question worth asking...Inequitable for whom? Also a question worth asking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-24852280889049177002013-04-03T15:05:08.622-04:002013-04-03T15:05:08.622-04:00The question would be whether the more accommodati...The question would be whether the more accommodating approach that you describe would have produced a more equitable system than the thoroughly inequitable one we ended up with. It's definitely a question worth asking. Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-1979152347456810142013-04-03T14:47:17.010-04:002013-04-03T14:47:17.010-04:00Pam, One might say the same thing about local lead...Pam, One might say the same thing about local leaders following the court decision to declare CMS unitary. Once the decision had been rendered and affirmed by higher courts, if local activists, civic leaders, and Observer editors had not demonized those supporting the decision and had not continually predicted failure for the system I suspect there would be a lot less rancor in the community today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-2260037106013376512013-04-03T14:05:31.201-04:002013-04-03T14:05:31.201-04:00The Brown cases challenged legal segregation. The ...The Brown cases challenged legal segregation. The fundamental point was the unconstitutionality of legal segregation, not the "right" of every child to go to the closest school. That's not a constitutionally protected right. The Browns and others attempted to enroll their children in nearby schools in order to demonstrate that their respective districts were making race-based decisions, thus making a legal challenge possible. Swann was the same. The Swanns didn't necessarily want their son to go to the closest school. They wanted him to go to an integrated school. They were perfectly happy when he was assigned to Eastover, which was quite far from where they lived. <br /><br />If leaders in the post-Brown South had been as determined to make desegregation work as they were to protect segregation, they would have worked something out. I won't presume to predict how they would have done it.Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-13610645489975522013-04-03T14:05:27.437-04:002013-04-03T14:05:27.437-04:00Wiley, I do believe it was actually in the case of...Wiley, I do believe it was actually in the case of Swann Versus CMS that the plaintiffs wanted their child to attend the school closest to their home (which was majority white). The school board had refused to make that assignment, despite the Brown decision that segregation was illegal. If the school board had allowed the Swanns to enroll their child in that school, and if the board had seen fit to make sure all schools were equally supplied and funded, perhaps then we would not have had the tumult and unfortunate consequences of busing. I agree with that the busing did great damage to school systems throughout the country and, ironically, most especially to black communities. The policy left families and local communities detached from the schools their children attended and, along with other factors, contributed to the disrespect and chaos present in many schools today. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-74654637079314412662013-04-03T13:08:23.111-04:002013-04-03T13:08:23.111-04:00You still haven't offered how you would have d...You still haven't offered how you would have done it, but based on prior comments, you have no problem with using busing to achieve your utopia.<br /><br />Also, let's hear your "interesting take" on Brown since you seem to think mine is off base.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-72246844962598548532013-04-03T12:52:15.943-04:002013-04-03T12:52:15.943-04:00Interesting interpretation of Brown, Wiley. But as...Interesting interpretation of Brown, Wiley. But as you say, things would have been quite different if local officials had responded to Brown with something other than "massive" resistance. Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-982342941226892992013-04-03T12:40:16.232-04:002013-04-03T12:40:16.232-04:00The original suit brough before the court by Brown...The original suit brough before the court by Brown was correct. He had every right to insist his child attend the closest school to his home.<br /><br />Seperate but equal never was equal, we all know that.<br /><br />If school districts across the country had simply followed the ruling and sent students to schools close to their homes, I don't believe public education would have gone into the toilet where it has been since 1970.<br /><br />With Swann, federal courts used forced busing to achieve integration which was the main reason for white flight.<br /><br />The one thing the feds could never control was where people lived and for decades under court ordered busing, school systems had to keep gerrymandering lines to try and get as many kids mixed by race as they could.<br /><br />It didn't work<br /><br />So was federally mandated busing to achieve integration leadership?<br /><br />I think we all know the answer to that question.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-36616553183896499212013-04-03T12:30:50.416-04:002013-04-03T12:30:50.416-04:00Ann, You know their are no tourbles with pre k - 8...Ann, You know their are no tourbles with pre k - 8 schools CMS has told you so. Forget actually asking for data or teachers from the actual scools to expose the issues in the light of truth. CMS wants to build that trust so dont you dare look at the real issues. RIDICULOUS at best. You just renovated Smith to be offices since you could not lease the building. Now transform it to a Magnet High? No wonder BOCC wont budge on budget you IDIOTS CMS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-69622980051337377782013-04-03T12:28:43.755-04:002013-04-03T12:28:43.755-04:00It's how a plan gets implemented. Tell me why ...It's how a plan gets implemented. Tell me why you don't think it would have been possible, which is clearly where you're going.Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-9796748522319875742013-04-03T12:23:30.631-04:002013-04-03T12:23:30.631-04:00Leadership isn't a plan.Leadership isn't a plan.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-66826034549553986422013-04-03T12:20:31.808-04:002013-04-03T12:20:31.808-04:00Leadership, leadership, leadership.Leadership, leadership, leadership.Pamela Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-17245894898381509552013-04-03T12:15:14.272-04:002013-04-03T12:15:14.272-04:00Okay Pam,
Just for giggles, how about give us wha...Okay Pam,<br /><br />Just for giggles, how about give us what your systematic plan would have been to integrate schools.<br /><br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.com