tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post7765052640271364936..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: CMS teacher pay: Hope, fear and confusionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-27174183010061014802013-03-03T10:52:42.952-05:002013-03-03T10:52:42.952-05:00Point 7 conflicts with point 3.
Put a max on PE pa...Point 7 conflicts with point 3.<br />Put a max on PE pay so others can immediately get a raise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-75964390794230130562013-03-02T01:27:33.975-05:002013-03-02T01:27:33.975-05:001. CMS does not set the pay scale for PE teachers ...1. CMS does not set the pay scale for PE teachers or any other teacher. The state does. <br />2. All teachers in NC are paid according to their years of service and their level of education. To reach the 60K mark and higher as a teacher, you must have many years of service (20+ and a Master's Degree and National Board). <br />3. Why do we have more in the PE field that have managed to hang on for 20+ years? Math and Science teachers quickly find that there are many higher paying jobs outside of education, therefore not as many make it for 20+ years. <br />4. The parents are to blame for obese kids. They are in control of what their child eats and the one that sets the tone for healthy living, not the PE teacher who can only educate and encourage, with a student load of 500+ per year.<br />5. No teacher works 180 days. Those are the number of student days and do not include workdays. Also, remember that the school hours are spent with students and attending meetings. When do you think teacher create their lessons and grade student work? <br />6. I teach Algebra and math. I work about 55 hours each week at school plus spend additional,time at home grading student work. Teaching different courses, such Algebra and math, require different curriculum materials and lessons for each day. My job is difficult, but so is the PE teacher's who is responsible for the safety of the 50 students assigned to his class. If he or she is making making more than me, it is not because of some whim of CMS. It is because that individual has more experience and education than I do. <br />7. All teachers deserve a raise. You get what you pay for. And we are losing the best and the brightest. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-41395357524055237232013-03-01T20:10:29.368-05:002013-03-01T20:10:29.368-05:0012:40am
You are getting 1st year pay after 5 years...12:40am<br />You are getting 1st year pay after 5 years?<br />With the qualifications you say you have. <br />Do you comprehend that one reason your pay is where it is is $70,000.+ going to elementary PE?<br />Something does not add up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-52618720480968807632013-03-01T11:17:56.476-05:002013-03-01T11:17:56.476-05:00Superhuman.Superhuman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-21745957566362126722013-03-01T00:40:26.188-05:002013-03-01T00:40:26.188-05:00I am a 5th year teacher. I am qualified and certi...I am a 5th year teacher. I am qualified and certified to teach all four core content areas at the middle school. I am also qualified and certified to teach Spanish at the middle school and high school level. I am still further qualified to teach English at the high school level. For these reasons, I have been assigned six different preps over the last 5 years-- 5 different preps in the last 3 years. And still expected to be "accomplished" and take on "leadership roles".<br /><br />I have been paid-- and am still paid at-- a first year teacher's salary.<br /><br />I will blame CMS for many of the idiocies that I encounter on a daily basis in my job. My salary, however, is not one of them. It is the "great" state of North Carolina that has held my wages down for the past four years, by abusing its ability to freeze its salary scale in times of emergency. 1% raise from the state this last year, you say? I have been much tempted to take out $340-- in ones-- from the bank and mail it to the legislature. My delivery will, of course, be accompanied by a note signed simply "Keep your raise. You apparently need it more than I do."<br /><br />Did I mention that I coach, as well? Did you know that the modest coaches' stipend of $1000 for middle school is taxed as a "bonus" by North Carolina? Did you also know that if a school, for some reason, finds itself employing a non-staff member as a coach, this $1000 is NOT taxed as a "bonus"? Have you put two-and-two together and realized that this means teachers who volunteer to coach are paid less for their time (let's say 100-150 hours a season?) than a non-teacher would be?<br /><br />Something is rotten in the state of North Carolina.<br /><br />This "great" state can talk as it will about wanting the best for its children. What I know is this: I work 30 hours a week at a second job, in the hope that I will one day be able to buy a house, and god knows, raise a family. That is 30 hours a week I COULD BE using to make better lessons to engage and more effectively enrich my students lives. Every day that I leave school quickly to go work another job, I know that I am shortchanging my students. Unfortunately, this state, this system, leaves me with no other choice.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-33192857951962570552013-02-28T15:46:57.621-05:002013-02-28T15:46:57.621-05:00There is no HOPE FEAR or CONFUSION
There is only...There is no HOPE FEAR or CONFUSION<br /><br /><br />There is only:<br /><br />Despair<br />Greif<br />Regret<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-86116642847782686252013-02-27T20:55:12.138-05:002013-02-27T20:55:12.138-05:00CHANGE
Like the last 4 Directors of the JOKE that...CHANGE<br /><br />Like the last 4 Directors of the JOKE that is the Human Resources Department.<br /><br />How can CMeS improve the Teacher when they have a constant stream of failures in that 1 job?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-18381751912870465512013-02-27T20:47:14.945-05:002013-02-27T20:47:14.945-05:00What was presented last night was not the plan, bu...What was presented last night was not the plan, but a glimpse of the thinking behind what the teachers created...just a piece of the entire plan with will include information about test scores, evaluations, surveys, etc. <br /><br />And it is being crafted without the heavy handed approach of Andy Baxter and Thom Tomberlin "refocusing" teachers on what the system wanted rather than on what the teachers thought would work. What you did last year is not what is being done this year, 7:50. This is NOT Pete's TEP (he was NEVER about do WITH teachers,) but a true mix of teachers and other school personnel trying to really affect change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-4269029631795959952013-02-27T20:38:12.172-05:002013-02-27T20:38:12.172-05:00"Teachers can become coaches,specialists,expe..."Teachers can become coaches,specialists,experts"<br /><br />Teachers can become PAWNS to the whims of CMeS adiministrators.<br /><br />This time they will stab the teachers in the front not the back like Gorman did. CMeS did learn from one of their biggest mistakes over the last 5 years.<br /><br />Remember the June they fired 29 AP's to latter hire Dean positions. Great, more work for the same lowzy teachers pay. This shell game wil go on and on an on and on just like the wheels of the bus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-45904761831726091802013-02-27T19:56:56.201-05:002013-02-27T19:56:56.201-05:00Millions spent on consultants and surveys and test...Millions spent on consultants and surveys and testing and ect...<br /><br />The powerpoint slide presentation showed a bunch of mixed up circles on a whiteboard. My God people does anyone know any 21st technology skills such as an Excel spreadsheet? What another sad case of ready, fire and aim. Did Latarza put together those whitboard slides?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-82270636332186664802013-02-27T19:50:31.137-05:002013-02-27T19:50:31.137-05:00Absolutely agree 7:26!
I am a CMS teacher and was...Absolutely agree 7:26!<br /><br />I am a CMS teacher and was very excited about being a part of the team last year to craft the performance pay system. However, I ended up being more frustrated than not, and eventually stopoed attending meetings. There were so many questions, scenarios, what ifs...etc. that it was impossible to get our group of 12 or so individuals to agree on anything!<br /><br />I watched the Board Meeting and read the Power Point presentation. The Board needs to be asking more questions about how this is really going to work. The plan was very vague and still leaves many questions. <br /><br />For example, how do you get to enter into these tracks? Do you have to prove your effectiveness somehow, before you can become an instructional/curriculum/assessment/technology leader? If so, how? Will there be a limit to how many teachers can become coaches, specialists, experts? What if I take on additional duties that do not fall into one of the categories? Will I be compensated for those? <br /><br />This "pathways model" only seems to focus on compensating for additional responsibilities. Where do test scores fall into this plan? What about your yearly evaluation? Student surveys? Will these affect your pay? I didn't hear any talk of the multiple measures that the focus groups from last year had discussed. <br /><br />Round and around we go....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-80937628255253405842013-02-27T19:31:38.402-05:002013-02-27T19:31:38.402-05:00If PE Teachers are doing their job then why are 1/...If PE Teachers are doing their job then why are 1/3 of our children obese?<br /><br />The next crisis to bankrupt our country is healthcare, medicare and medicade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-4748093268881235172013-02-27T19:26:07.519-05:002013-02-27T19:26:07.519-05:00Ann
Why do we constantly spend millions on testin...Ann<br /><br />Why do we constantly spend millions on testing, consultants, surveys and the flavor of the month project?<br /><br />How can any teacher watch this mess and have a positive attitude about the formulation of different pay plans every year and the continued waste of good taxpayer money?<br /><br />Why cant the BofE and CMS start with:<br /><br />ABC Bonus money that was never paid<br />Return of Vision benefits<br />Return of Dental benefits<br />Return of Health benefitls (80/20)<br />Return of the step increase in pay (A stretch I know because of previous articles that said the state could not affoard this)<br /><br />Ann, please ask WHY these items that employees have lost thousands on over the last several years cant be returned first? Why also do we continue to spend millions of wasted dollars and wasted years to come up with ? plans.<br /><br />Morale and quality employees will return with the salary and benefits that were STANDARD five years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-8347695493299591932013-02-27T17:26:43.009-05:002013-02-27T17:26:43.009-05:00I do believe PE teachers are much more valuable th...I do believe PE teachers are much more valuable than Singleton.<br />If we have millions for Singleton then every teacher should be paid over $100,000.<br />Even if it is only for 8 or 9 months.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-21331872592701309812013-02-27T17:00:48.339-05:002013-02-27T17:00:48.339-05:00Sorry, above comment should have said "our&qu...Sorry, above comment should have said "our" computer, not "are" computer. Long day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-63820304095596806722013-02-27T16:59:21.865-05:002013-02-27T16:59:21.865-05:00Ann, As far as the donations rule goes perhaps the...Ann, As far as the donations rule goes perhaps there are (or maybe there once were) some parameters for donations and if a donation falls outside those parameters it doesn't make the cut. I do know for a fact that in 1998 (pre-laptop and tablet days) the husband of the principal at my son's middle school offered to donate to the school two unused computers from his office so that my son and another child could take an on-line Algebra II class from Stanford during their math period (both had completed algebra I and geometry). The principal was told this was unacceptable since every school wasn't getting two extra computers. My son used are at home computer to take the class. Wasn't particularly happy about having to take another class after school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-6043542546490207852013-02-27T16:26:41.767-05:002013-02-27T16:26:41.767-05:00If a warrant officer works the average working day...If a warrant officer works the average working days in a year like most of us, 260, that's $292.30 per day.<br /><br />A PE teacher making $60,000 at 180 days makes $333.33 per day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-79345470103871168332013-02-27T16:11:53.863-05:002013-02-27T16:11:53.863-05:00Who is to say that $60,000 is too much to pay a PE...Who is to say that $60,000 is too much to pay a PE teacher? <br /><br />What if that PE teacher impacts your child more than their English teacher? What if that PE teacher shows your child it's okay to fail and your child ends up being the next Steve Jobs?<br /><br />Because it's your taxes?<br /><br />An Army Warrant Officer grade 4 with over 20 years of service is paid over $76,000. <br /><br />That's taxpayer money too - is that person paid too much as well? <br /><br />I'm curious to know how exactly that you know from just looking at a salary number that a particular teacher is overpaid?<br /><br />Jeff Wisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-60443070824544270772013-02-27T14:33:28.166-05:002013-02-27T14:33:28.166-05:00Ghoul
You knew the answer to that question before...Ghoul<br /><br />You knew the answer to that question before you typed it.<br /><br />Let's ask the question in two years as to how many can still be found and being used effectively.<br /><br />What happens if more students come in next year? Who provides the additional laptops? What happens if enrollment drops? Where do the extra laptops go? What happens to fifth graders who all of a sudden have to give up a laptop they've had for four years? Who is paying for technical support? Will the laptops be upgaded down the road and who will pay for that?<br /><br />So many questions, no answers. <br /><br />But hey, I feel good, you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-24829355370874865622013-02-27T14:30:48.571-05:002013-02-27T14:30:48.571-05:00Our online staff disable comments when too many of...Our online staff disable comments when too many of them cross the line into inappropriate/abusive stuff. That's their call; I haven't discussed that with them (I didn't even write that particular story).<br /><br />I keep hearing variations on that donation story, but never first-hand with specifics that can be checked. It's simply not true that CMS won't allow donations to an individual school. There are all sorts of booster clubs, PTAs, alumni groups, business partners and houses of worship that give time, money and material goods to one school without having to do the same for the entire district.Ann Doss Helmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511764376105157616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-57384092786591042522013-02-27T14:18:09.922-05:002013-02-27T14:18:09.922-05:00Hey Anne,
Why no comments allowed on the free lap...Hey Anne,<br /><br />Why no comments allowed on the free laptop giveaway? We are not allowed to criticize government sponsored discrimination? I can not wait for the lawsuits to be filed by suburban students who are not given free laptops because of their race or nationality.<br /><br />I remember a story about a guy wanting to donate a ballet bar to a local high school, but he was not allowed to since he was not giving a bar to every high school, what is different here?Ghoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04099647823915879139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-38854296546305118392013-02-27T14:15:37.268-05:002013-02-27T14:15:37.268-05:00March 2012 database shows 40 phys ed teachers paid...March 2012 database shows 40 phys ed teachers paid over $60,000. This includes bonus but does not include coaching pay.<br />Dozens more within a couple hundred dollars of $60K.<br />March 2013 could be interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-68833436126832677822013-02-27T13:59:19.795-05:002013-02-27T13:59:19.795-05:00As long as the staus quo remains, nothing will cha...As long as the staus quo remains, nothing will change and any attempt to come up with a teacher pay for performance plan will not work.<br /><br />The US Supreme Court is hearing arguments today about abolishing part of the Voting Rights Act, with a number of justices questioning the validity of the Justice Department keeping their thumb on those states. <br /><br /><b>“The problem, many of the justices say, is that now the law when it was re-enacted the last time (in 2006) isn’t forward looking enough. Many of the justices said that the problems in the South aren’t as bad as they are in some places in the North.”</b><br /><br />This parallels the Swann case, where the Supreme Court refused to hear the case (appeal), thus effectively ending busing to achieve integration.<br /><br />It's been nearly 13 years since Swann was overturned, yet the system itself still sucks. We got rid of busing but not the status quo thinking.<br /><br />Until public education is reduced to its basic level - allowing teacher's to teach and kids to learn, any pay for performance plan will not work.<br /><br />Too much time, money and energy is being spent on this issue. Fix the entire system first, worry about PFP later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-43843878430120002322013-02-27T13:41:30.208-05:002013-02-27T13:41:30.208-05:00Maybe $4 million for leading a non-profit Durable ...Maybe $4 million for leading a non-profit Durable Medical Equipment provider (CHS) is more in line for the PE teachers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-36189946666305036062013-02-27T13:16:59.104-05:002013-02-27T13:16:59.104-05:0011:59 I'm not aware of elementary PE teachers...11:59 I'm not aware of elementary PE teachers coaching any elem teams. Over $60,000 for PE does sound ridiculous, as are the Art teachers getting paid over $60,000 at our elem school. CMS, reset your priorities. How about specials every other week? I would appreciate more time being spent on reading, math and science. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com