tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post8604302333429211894..comments2023-10-23T09:23:22.051-04:00Comments on Your Schools: Fair share from CMS?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-38261052276800909302013-05-29T22:15:30.029-04:002013-05-29T22:15:30.029-04:009:23...
And how much has it cost for 40 years to ...9:23...<br /><br />And how much has it cost for 40 years to keep paying more money to low income students and their offspring and their offspring and so on because they don't get it?<br /><br />There are many low income students in magnet programs so how do they pay for transportation?<br /><br />You should go to the next Board meeting and suggest all magnets be scrapped.<br /><br />I'll see your tax dollars and raise you 10% more to fund magnet busing.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-32848353255321924172013-05-29T21:54:49.712-04:002013-05-29T21:54:49.712-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-44433418725453315642013-05-29T21:23:32.371-04:002013-05-29T21:23:32.371-04:00Hi there WC, absolutely bus users should pay a fee...Hi there WC, absolutely bus users should pay a fee to use the service. Keep the money at the school where it belongs. if you want Susie and Johnny to go to a Magnet, you pay to supplement the additional busing costs. (BTW, it costs $400/year to bus a neighborhood school child, it costs $1200/year to bus a Magnet child). Rosa fernandeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-34961122361710542372013-05-29T08:35:13.074-04:002013-05-29T08:35:13.074-04:007:51
We all already pay for transportation, wheth...7:51<br /><br />We all already pay for transportation, whether you have kids in school or not.<br /><br />They're called taxes.<br /><br />If any child attends a magnet program, they should be provided transportation just like everyone else who qualifies.<br /><br />What about "poverty students" who attend magnets? Should they pay for transportation?Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-62946378945931846472013-05-29T07:51:37.696-04:002013-05-29T07:51:37.696-04:00CMS needs to do what other school districts around...CMS needs to do what other school districts around the country are are doing-charge for transportation if your child does not go to their neighborhood school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-38581888108352949692013-05-28T11:28:56.900-04:002013-05-28T11:28:56.900-04:00As a parent in the suburbs, I don't mind so mu...As a parent in the suburbs, I don't mind so much that I pay more in taxes. What really steams me is that suburban schools get so much less per student. The funding per student needs to be the same for all children in CMS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-70520806078639658872013-05-28T09:28:17.855-04:002013-05-28T09:28:17.855-04:006:11...
Correct, however, if the state or Mecklen...6:11...<br /><br />Correct, however, if the state or Mecklenburg County is giving CMS any extra funding for "poverty students", then use the same process and require verification you qualify for the extra funding.<br /><br />Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-25358174667222624742013-05-28T06:11:19.926-04:002013-05-28T06:11:19.926-04:00Good one Wiley,
Unfortunately CMS doesn't ...Good one Wiley,<br /> Unfortunately CMS doesn't charge for textbooks or<br /> i-Pads until someone tries to graduate. Cell phone records or BYOT as an alternative? Very few students don't have one except in the lower grades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-54740646565699365032013-05-27T22:22:14.313-04:002013-05-27T22:22:14.313-04:00Bolyn,
Let's see, I'm incorrect, but to y...Bolyn,<br /><br />Let's see, I'm incorrect, but to you it's an opinion?<br /><br />I agree with your first assessment but not the second. <br /><br />This today from Indianapolis. We should look at doing the same thing in NC. <br /><br />Maybe we can't tell the USDA to shove their 3% audit rule, but there are other ways to stop fraud:<br /><br /><b>News From Terre Haute, Indiana</b><br /> <br /><i>May 27, 2013 <br /><br />Free lunch won’t serve as poverty indicator<br /><br /> Maureen Hayden <br />CNHI Statehouse Bureau <br /><br />INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana is changing the way it counts low-income students in public schools because Republican legislators suspect fraud in the federal school-lunch program used to measure poverty.<br /><br /> Tucked inside the budget bill passed by the General Assembly last month is a provision that ends the use of the program to determine levels of poverty-based funding for school districts after next year.<br /><br /> Instead, the state’s textbook assistance program, which provides free schoolbooks to low-income children, will be used to calculate how much additional money the state gives schools to help educate children most at-risk for failure.<br /><br /> Senate Appropriations Chairman Luke Kenley said he and other GOP legislative leaders have “lost confidence” in the accuracy of the federal school lunch program as an indicator of poverty.<br /><br />“There’s no accountability in the federal program,” Kenley said.<br /><br /> The change is significant: Of the $6.6 billion in state funds that go to K-12 schools in Indiana, about $1 billion of it is directly tied to the federal school lunch program: The more students that a school enrolls in the program, the more state money the school district gets.<br /><br /> But little accountability is in place: By law, the state can’t audit the federal program to see if families are falsely reporting their incomes so their children can get the free or reduced-cost meals.<br /><br /> And the state can’t require schools to verify the information either. Parents aren’t required to provide any proof of their income when they apply for the program.<br /><br /> But the state can require schools to verify the family incomes of children who get free textbooks through the state’s textbook assistance program. The eligible income level is about the same for both: Up to 130 percent of the federal poverty level (about $29,000 for a family of four.)<br /><br />“We can’t audit the federal program, but we can audit the state program,” said Republican Rep. Jeff Thompson of Danville, a retired schoolteacher who pushed for the change.</i><br /><br />Using FRL as an indicator for anything related to education is useless data.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85618955083809651872013-05-27T21:03:47.230-04:002013-05-27T21:03:47.230-04:00.
TO: WILEY
You're incorrect on the funding i....<br />TO: WILEY<br /><br />You're incorrect on the funding issue. The School Board and staff hang-on to FRL as "the best predictor of under achievement." This is something I disagree on....but they each have one of the nine votes.<br /><br />You're also incorrect about it being financial. My opinion is that a budget sans FRL data would still be the same size.<br /><br />My chief concern is that FRL incorrectly identifies good students as poor ones. That's the waste.<br /><br />FRL being used to identify underperformers after the 3rd grade makes no sense. I'd use report cards....but hey, what do I know?<br /><br />Bolyn McClung<br />Pineville<br />.BolynMcClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02938579006144446381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-67932971388937110912013-05-27T19:42:15.603-04:002013-05-27T19:42:15.603-04:00Let's hope the "Guiding Principals" ...Let's hope the "Guiding Principals" don't reelect the current school board. All up for election need to go!<br />Louise Woods needs to go (I'm sorry I mean Tom Tate), Rhonda - definitely (Christine? you there??) All of 'em, leaving Ericka, Mary, and Tim. Need to have a good crew in place to pick the next super after Re-Pete blows town next year. Don't think so? Look at how many are leaving the sinking ship...vacuum at the top is coming quickly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-30229001852285282052013-05-27T18:29:49.342-04:002013-05-27T18:29:49.342-04:00Since when does the color of your skin have absolu...Since when does the color of your skin have absolutely anything to do with how well you do in school. How about you put some of the blame on the parents for once. When you look at what crappy parents some people are you start to understand why the student doesn't do well. CMS needs to be split up.....it is a bloated whale dead on the beach and has been that way for decades. Right now the education you get from CMS is crap pure and simple, it you don't believe it, go take a 100 level class at CPCC and watch how these kids act. This is the reason my children will be Homeschooled!!!!CMS Sucksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-4851862836230702242013-05-27T18:22:35.101-04:002013-05-27T18:22:35.101-04:00Ann, once we see the numbers, can you please do a ...Ann, once we see the numbers, can you please do a comparison of per-resident property taxes in each district?<br /><br />I would be willing to bet that residents in affluent districts pay 30 or 40% more in property taxes, but get 30 or 40% lower per-pupil spending for their extra tax contributions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-16926605664678414492013-05-27T17:34:28.282-04:002013-05-27T17:34:28.282-04:00What's even more disheartening is the fact tha...What's even more disheartening is the fact that many schools considered " affluent" have more students from high poverty house holds than the schools we always read about in the paper. Great example is Myers Park. Over 900 students come from poverty yet people assume that because it is MPHS there is no need for additional support. The reality is that MP has a high need for support than schools like WC or Garringer based on numbers. Furthermore, the public often cites high levels of financial support from PTSA or PTSO 's yet often overlook the fact that many of these so called affluent schools send 10 to 20 percent of their funding to high need schools. This dude has hit the nail on the head. Lets see the numbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-50541294236317167912013-05-27T17:11:03.932-04:002013-05-27T17:11:03.932-04:00Ann sorry to be so critical but the piece on NC an...Ann sorry to be so critical but the piece on NC and CMS MSL Exams lacked in quality. It simply resonated the same CMS downtown Kool Aide that has become par for the course. I eagerly awaited the article yet was miserably disappointed at the lack of depth and clarity that you and the Observer owe the public. Relying on people like Dr. Morrison and Frank Barnes for actual details on the whole process shows little to no effort on you and your staffs behalf to let the public know what is really going on. The lip service from Meck ACTS is the best you and your staff can do??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-84425950471120741542013-05-27T17:08:10.705-04:002013-05-27T17:08:10.705-04:00Let's not generalize about all suburban high s...Let's not generalize about all suburban high schools, 4:48. At my child's suburban high school there were plenty of jock and cheerleader types but the high scoring academic kids were considered pretty cool too (and there was a pretty good size group of them). My child went on to a very selective college and was able to relate well to most everyone he met there, even though he was a "southern boy". No one school in Charlotte has the monopoly on virtue--every school has its strengths and its weaknesses, and not every school suits every child. Teaching your child to be smug about his high school choice is not doing him any favors. <br /><br />I do agree strongly with you about the tech training issue. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-74757735627566006262013-05-27T16:48:29.242-04:002013-05-27T16:48:29.242-04:00I live in one of those "affluent" suburb...I live in one of those "affluent" suburbs and I have a graduate from Northwest School of the Arts now attending Chapel Hill and another one there as well. There are few issues there and kids from all walks of life get along very well because they all have a common reason to WANT to be there. The suburb school is like a bad dream clique - you are either a barbie doll cheerleader or a jock, or you are just not cool. I am glad my kids have had a superior High School experience at NWSA, and as the graduate said - I am going to college in Chapel Hill with friends from the neighborhood school and the IB magnet. I think technical training schools are a great idea for those that could and should be learning trades. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-85085720031123574252013-05-27T16:34:58.102-04:002013-05-27T16:34:58.102-04:00Bolyn,
Reduce the number of FRL students and CMS ...Bolyn,<br /><br />Reduce the number of FRL students and CMS loses money.<br /><br />That's why there is no incentive to weed out the fraud.Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-52134473221821493172013-05-27T15:48:00.723-04:002013-05-27T15:48:00.723-04:00.
TO: ANON 3:22
MAGNETS WILL SOON BE COMING TO ....<br />TO: ANON 3:22<br /><br />MAGNETS WILL SOON BE COMING TO A CORNER NEAR YOU!<br /><br />At Board meeting after Board meeting all but one of the members are pushing more Magnets and most are in the suburbs.<br /><br />They even want another "Morgan" school to serve the northern-end of the county.<br /><br />Magnet, Magnet, Magnets. <br /><br />Everything from STEAM to Nursing to Automotive to Aeronautics. This is not your Civil Rights 1980 Magnet. This is Magnet spelled "Technical and Vocational Education."<br /><br />Mark my word, if the current board is re-elected this November, not only will there be Magnets north, south, east and west; you will see all the Title I schools become feeders for local employment agencies placing hourly workers. <br /><br />Bolyn McClung<br />Pineville<br />.BolynMcClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02938579006144446381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-78522388120892851752013-05-27T15:27:31.930-04:002013-05-27T15:27:31.930-04:00The testing should be weighted to give additional ...The testing should be weighted to give additional points to minorities , just like they receive preferential treatment in the real world. That should reduce the difference. Add 20 points to their scores as an adjustment. Voila, everybody's happy. sanitizerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14256366746198764305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-1456865220079828782013-05-27T15:22:33.331-04:002013-05-27T15:22:33.331-04:00Ah yes, Bolyn, but are those magnets in suburban d...Ah yes, Bolyn, but are those magnets in suburban districts? In the vast majority of cases I don't think so. Thus the individual per pupil expenditures are being moved between urban districts, not around the entire county. Because of the long standing theory held in some quarters that the 'burbs are getting it all or that they are not paying their fair share, I think it would be quite informative to see how much income is derived from each district and how much is spent on schools in each district. Of course that exercise would have to be premised on each district having an equal number of residents. Is that actually the case? When I looked a few years ago districts 2, 3, and 4 had much lower populations than the suburban districts (but each district of course had one vote no matter what their population).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-9458525839047325342013-05-27T14:32:08.920-04:002013-05-27T14:32:08.920-04:00.
MR. RIDENHOUR NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT MR. DUNLAP KNOW....<br />MR. RIDENHOUR NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT MR. DUNLAP KNOWS……….<br /><br />……."the money follows the child" when it comes to tracking which district gets what.<br /><br />And behind it all is the too flawed principle that if a child is on Free and Reduced Lunch programs his early childhood learning suffered……in 100% of the cases.<br /><br />In a way George is very right. Take a look at the UNCC Quality of Life Study. Its map for the urban school districts shows an outflow of student from their home schools to magnets programs………that include the magnets for good and bad behavior. What that map says is parents don't have faith in neighborhood schools……so what good is Mr. Ridenhour's question?<br /><br />Mr. Ridenhour is under a bad misunderstanding about the "Guiding Principals" for student assignment. The rules mean nothing. CMS will never be a neighborhood school system……unless all the schools become so bad(oops, or good) that no parent believes the grass is greener on the other side.<br /><br />Bolyn McClung<br />Pineville.<br />.BolynMcClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02938579006144446381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-5066320578596180202013-05-27T12:47:30.803-04:002013-05-27T12:47:30.803-04:00For funding data to mean something it has to accur...For funding data to mean something it has to accurate.<br /><br />Nothing coming from CMS in my opinion is accurate since most of the data is skewed by fraud.<br /><br />Until the school lunch program is FULLY audited and accurate information is provided to the district by the recipients and those gaming the system are kicked off, CMS and the BOCC is just spitting in the wind.<br /><br />The achievement gap is a pie in the sky elusive entity that will never close. Based on the past few years data, it will take at least another 15 years to "close", if then.<br /><br />My guess is that if it does close, voodoo accounting will make it so. Wiley Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966764080565903720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-39943415955015125432013-05-27T10:08:53.637-04:002013-05-27T10:08:53.637-04:00Once again the facts come out. Kids don't go t...Once again the facts come out. Kids don't go to school in their neighborhood school. Thus running the costs of busing up this must stop. You opt out of your neighborhood school great you have that option , but your providing your own transportation. This goes for magnets as well I don't care. Ride hour knows nothing about CMS and is just fishing for numbers he has no kids involved. Rookie in his term very close to Cotham already the two of them will be gone in a few years. Then again so won't Morrison so nothing new in the region politics. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4020455191286536580.post-60530779654267808502013-05-27T09:27:25.961-04:002013-05-27T09:27:25.961-04:00Where I grew up you went to school where you lived...Where I grew up you went to school where you lived. If you lived in a crappy part of town then you went to a crappy school. IF you went to a crappy school then you and your parents tries harder so you could move. Society will always have crappy parts of town. The moochers will always want more free stuff. I say too bad. You can't fix stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com