I'm bound for Reno, Nev., to check out the home turf of Charlotte-Mecklenburg's newly hired superintendent, Heath Morrison. If you've got questions, let me know. I've already forwarded reader questions about magnet schools, how Morrison involved faculty in handling budget cuts and what he'll do for suburban schools. I can't promise there will be time to get every question answered, but I'll try, and Morrison seems receptive.
Between CMS stories last week, I caught up by phone with David Fullenwider, president of the Washoe Schools Principals Association. He's been with the district 23 years, and says Morrison has re-energized and revamped a district that had gotten used to doing things the way they'd always been done.
Fullenwider describes Morrison as the hardest worker he's ever known, saying it wasn't unusual to log on and find emails he sent at 4:30 a.m. (maybe I shouldn't be surprised that my tag-along agenda for Tuesday starts at 5:30 a.m.). The down side, Fullenwider says, is that some principals think the high standards can be unforgiving: "If you mess up, man, it's pretty harsh."
But Fullenwider calls Morrison one of the most impressive people he's ever met. His message for CMS: "The employees of your school district are going to work harder than they've ever worked in their lives," he said. "But you're going to see positive results that will make it worth it."
Update from the Minneapolis airport: The Reno Gazette-Journal ran pieces this weekend about the transition in Reno and Morrison's departure package.
Update from the Minneapolis airport: The Reno Gazette-Journal ran pieces this weekend about the transition in Reno and Morrison's departure package.
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So far, I have seen no difference in the comments from Morrison about his intentions and what he did in Reno, versus what has transpired here in the past 10 years.
Regarding comments from the Principal's Association, take a look at their agreement with Washoe County Schools.
Based on disciplinary procedures outlined in their agreement, "messing up" doesn't mean an immediate resolution.
There are no unions here.
http://www.washoe.k12.nv.us/docs/staff/negotiated-agreement/WSPA_2011-2013_Negotiated_Agreement-PDF.pdf
Hey, maybe she'll stay out west if she gets that school reporter job listed in the Reno newspaper. Nice trick to get the CO to pay for the trip to interview for it.
Ann,
Please ask people about the amount of standardized testing he has instituted or advocated for. How does he use the data from these tests? Are teachers evaluated on test scores? How do the teachers feel about it? Do his policies result in teaching to the test and the narrowing of curriculum? These are all issues I have with CMS.
Also, please ask if his policies are geared to the lowest common denominator. In CMS, we do a ton to life up the bottom tier of students. The kids in the middle and especially at the top get so little in the way of resources.
Thank you.
1) What changes are going to be made to school start times?
2) How does he plan to challenge gifted students in CMS?
3) Does he have the budget background needed to go get more funds from the state for teachers?
4) Will he talk to Peter once he gets to Charlotte in July?
5) How will he get funds back for the schools with top performing students since they continue to subsidize others?
6) Will he stay way from the Charlotte Chamber and not be influenced?
7) How does he plan to earn the parents trust which faded so over the last few yeared?
8) Does he plan to keep Hugh involved?
9) What are his top 10 priorities?
10) Does he paln to publish a book?
Keith W. Hurley
Ann, Please find out more about his views on "diversity" and how that is dealt with in the classroom. His current district's "diversity" webpage includes statements such as:
"The educational system has historically fostered the achievement of one segment of the school population by establishing culturally biased standards and values. The mono-cultural values of schools have promoted biases in curriculum development and instructional practices that have been detrimental to the achievement of students from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds."
"Why do we need to address diversity?
For many students, the kids of behaviors required in School (e.g., sitting in one's seat and only speaking when Called on) and types of discourse (e.g., "Class, what is the title of this book?") contrast with home cultural and linguistic practices. "
Does he really believe this stuff is the answer to the achievement gap? If so, where does that leave the suburban schools--are they going to have to become diversity factories along with the urban schools?
If he doesn't really believe in this stuff why doesn't he take a strong stand against it?
9:37 Yes, he will lead us back to busing thats what the majority of the kids in CMS want.(?) It wont change the issues of learning just compound them. It will also drive more folks like me out of CMS to private schools. At some point the state/county will have to go to a voucher system if that happens. Funding will be shut down by the failures.
A lot of good questions, many of which I already planned to talk to him about. Keith, I can answer one of yours: Hugh Hattabaugh has said he's returning to Florida when the transition is done.
Sorry, 8:30 a.m., I'm not applying for any jobs.
Ann...
Most importantly, bet 8 Black and 32 Red on Roulette...
Ann, Thats too bad about Hugh as I think he stopped some of the bleeding. As a district we certainly need some good talent in place to groom for future leadership positions. CMS really only had Ann and Hugh to replace Hugh. CMS should have a back up plan for future accountability. Keith W. Hurley
agree 8:30am
Didnt Morrison get a free round trip telling them he was looking into CMS success for Washoe schools too? Nice.
Reno pays over 150k a yr to its high profile journalists since gambling pays big in NV resorts and no state tax. But who wouldnt go west as opposed to the local boring dump with no natural scenery like snowcapped Sierras, Lake Tahoe, huge nice hotel caninos or N Cal Pacific coast not far away? Get real.
Reno beats Vegas.
1) What changes are going to be made to school start times?
None.
2) How does he plan to challenge gifted students in CMS?
By giving them much less money than they now receive.
3) Does he have the budget background needed to go get more funds from the state for teachers?
Budget background? Who needs that? He has the PR background and access to Pete's BFF Ruth S.
4) Will he talk to Peter once he gets to Charlotte in July?
Why not? he's probably been in contact with him since last year.
5) How will he get funds back for the schools with top performing students since they continue to subsidize others? Bus kids from the westside to their schools, and the money will follow (Thank you Tom and Richard!)
6) Will he stay way from the Charlotte Chamber and not be influenced?
HA!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Why do you think he is here???
7) How does he plan to earn the parents trust which faded so over the last few yeared?
Pretend to listen to them for 90 days then make the choices he wants to (Re Pete)
8) Does he plan to keep Hugh involved?
Nah.
9) What are his top 10 priorities?
Dr. Morrison (10 letters ;) )
10) Does he paln to publish a book?
Possibly, but only to cover up the catastrophic failure at the end of his term.
Is he planning to be in town in May and participate in the Mecklenburg County Commissioners' meetings regarding the 2012-2013 CMS operating budget?
12:41 - I know this , but I want to have him pass the quiz. Keith W. Hurley ( those are my answers as well)
Christine , No I doubt it the County is not going to give CMS the increase they are requesting. It might be a good idea for the new leader to be involved , but thats to proactive. The board will fumble this budget again as nobody on the BOE currently understands half of it. The half they do understand you have taught them about it ! Keith W. Hurley
They have "associations" in Nevada, just like they have in North Carolina. Let's not claim there are no "unions" in NC. I have heard that time and time again. Teachers do have an association affiliated with NEA. Now it isn't worth much because teachers can't strike and all, and it is almost the identical situation in Nevada, which is also "right to work."
As for principals, nothing is done to them when they screw up, unless a third party complains directly to the sup about a principal. Only then are they demoted. Teachers are easily gotten rid of in Nevada.
As for the question of the Chamber of Commerce, Morrison has gone out of his way to "partner" with them in Reno. He's a privatizer after all.
From August of last year:
Teacher unions across Nevada are refusing to make concessions in contract negotiations and lashing out against politicians who were once their allies. The source of their anger? Budget cuts and changes to education rules.
For the first time in at least a decade, both Clark and Washoe county school districts began the school year without a new contract with their teacher unions.
Susan, 2:25 If he saddles up with the Chamber and moves looks at privatizing in CMS it will be a sad day. All the Chamber clones want to do is funnel bids and business to their members. Which BOE member is forcing this? A) Morgan B) Morgan or C) Morgan
Funny how he states he never talks to his brother Bob from the Chamber. If Heath does this he wont earn the communities trust and he will show which side he takes. Childrens education vs bib Business sell out. Keith W. Hurley
Susan,
Just how many teachers do you think are members of NCAE? Most of us aren't, realizing that the only thing they offer is professional insurance. I believe that the mass exodus of principals this fall and teachers Feb. 1 is just the beginning.
I saw this piece today by a local activist who writes an opinion column for the Daily Sparks Tribune and was first published there:
"MORRISON DEFLATION BLOWBACK. It's gonna get worse. Several readers told me of many insiders biting their tongues, worried that any negative comment might keep Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC, from hiring him away."
Ann might want to keep that in mind when she writes her articles from Reno.
http://www.nevadalabor.com/barbwire/barb12/barb4-29-12.html
12:41
Gifted students already receive higher per-pupil spending at every school. This is the law. Also, CMS has 3 times the national average of gifted students which is a little hard to believe unless you're from Ballantyne - where every child is gifted.
"Highly" and "profoundly" gifted students also have the option of participating in CMS's Horizon's program in addition to CMS's IB program offered at several magnet schools across the county.
CMS had two national merit scholar winners last year. One who graduated from Northwest School of the Arts and the other who attended Myers Park IB. A student from Charlotte Latin school also won this prestigious honor.
12:41
And if I recall, a student at West Charlotte (or it might have been West Meck.) won a scholarship to Princeton last year. May I suggest you pick up a relic called the newspaper and actually read the good news.
12:41
AND CMS also offers an Honors only middle college program in partnership with CPCC not to mention a plethora of AP courses. It's a gifted bonanza!
Project Lift - you can't fix stupid!
11:51 et al. - I knew all of which you mentioned and I have close ties to the programs included in your rants. MY point was the Re Pete would challenge the group by doing something negative toward them. Remember, challenge could be positive or negative. Broadies have a history of trying to change laws they don't like - just like RePete will I am very sure. Hoepfully he doesn't try to screw over the governor of NC like he did in Nevada.
11:47--Re: your comment about the high number of "gifted" students in CMS (and your nice little slam of Ballantyne). One of the reasons the system is so "gifted" is the stretching of the definition of gifted so that the "gifted" population meets a diversity standard. And if you were paying attention to last week's school board meeting you would have seen that Ericka still does not think CMS is qualifying enough students for the program.
8:44- I attended that meeting by Darth Vader (Ericka) last week. What she was commenting on was not enough minority students are achieving above and she wants the kids bused to better schools. Her idea of a fix is lower the standards and get her minority kids to the better schools. ALl without thinking of the empty schools it going to create. Dont forget her background is in drop out prevention she has never held a real world job. Kojo has her on a crusade to get those kids in minority homes in better schools. This will create flight by others and the Voucher system will be created.
Ahh, 8:48, but there won't be any empty schools because somebody is going to have to move out of the suburban schools to make room for the kids Ericka, Tom, etc would like to move in. So where will the "displaced" kids go?--why to the under-performing schools, of course (via some "creative reassignment", courtesy of Mr. Tate and his policy committee) . But as you rightly point out there will probably then be an accelerated exodus from CMS.
9:45 Country Day and Latin will expand their schools ! Charters will pop up all over town. Parents will lobby the state for vouchers and they cannot say no when you look at what CMS created. Invest big in private schools today ! CMS created lines at private schools they are turning money away and have wait listed thousands. Alot of folks are home schooling which is better than a CMS education if you have the patience as a parent.
Ask Heath how many lockdowns he has experienced in Reno. How he handles principals and teachers leaving. How he plans to handle the most run down district possible in the nation.
8:58...
Define "better schools"..
Wiley- Ericka and most of her community thinks that the east side of the high way is way better off. Those schools get more money, better teachers, better facilities and god makes the tea better. (we both know this is from hard work) They just think its better due to the water I guess. Ask the woman why she took her kid out of Harding and sent him outside the county to school this year. Thats right CMS was not good enough for her own. The other kids at Harding its okay for them today. Ask the kind woman from the drop out prevention history about it. Better yet ask Kojo since the question has to run through him first anyhow.
8:44
The definition of "gifted" is quite loosey goosey. I was "intentified" as gifted and talented in a different state for my artistic ability. My brother was identified as gifted and talented for his intellectual ability (he went to Yale). My son was identified as gifted in CMS although when I transferred him to a private school he wasn't gifted at all (compared to his peers).
Here's the problem - Identification and Assessment.
CMS currently takes a MULTI-FACTORED approach when identifying and assessing students for it's gifted program. A multi-factored approach generally includes the following:
MULTI-FACTORED definition of "gifted":
1. Group and individual intelligence tests
2. Achievement tests
3. Portfolios of student work
4. Teacher nomination
5. Self-nomination
6. Peer nomination
7. Extra-curricular or liesure activities
8. Creative ability
Here's the problem Ericka is having -
Nationwide there is an underrepresentation of African-American, Hispanic-American and Native -American students in gifted education programs. One way to address this issue is to take a MULTICULTURAL approach to identify and assess gifted students. This definition can included the following:
MULTICULTURAL definition of "gifted"
1. Motivation
2. Imagination/Creativity
3. Communication skills
4. Inquiry
5. Humor
6. Insight
7. Problem solving
8. Memory
9. Reasoning
Other contemporary definitions of giftedness -
RENZULLI'S definition of "gifted"
1. High level task commitment
2. Creativity
3. Above average intellectual skills (anyone with an IQ over 100)
GENERAL definition areas of "giftedness":
1. Mathematics
2. Visual Arts
3. Physical Sciences
4. Philosophy
5. Dance
6. Law
7. Religion
8. Music
9. Language Arts
10. Life Sciences
FEDERAL definition of "gifted":
1. Intellectual
2. Creative
3. Specific Academic
4. Leadership
5.Performing Arts
6. Visual Arts
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND definition of "gifted":
1. Intellectual ability (IQ)
2. Creativity (visual and performing arts)
3. Artistic (visual and performing arts)
4. Leadership (The CMS school board)
So, as you can see Charlie Brown, there aren't enough students in CMS's gifted program if you factor in all the definitions. Ericka is correct.
CMS - where every child is gifted!
To continue...
I would make the argument that CMS isn't doing enough to meet the needs of artistically gifted students which falls under every definition of the term. What is CMS doing about this? Art on a Cart doesn't cut it.
Hopefully, today's "rant" on the subject of gifted education was more thorough.
You're welcome.
Oh, and my little pot-shot at Ballantyne falls under MULTICULTURAL giftedness. It's called satirical "humor".
What is CMS doing to meet the needs of children with learning disabilities (LD's)?
Famous People with Dyslexia
Inventors & Scientists:
Ann Bancroft, Arctic Explorer.
Alexander Graham Bell.
John Britten, Inventor.
Pierre Curie, Physicist (1903 Nobel Prize).
Thomas Edison.
Albert Einstein.
Michael Faraday.
Carol Greider, Molecular Biologist, awarded 2009 Nobel Prize in Medicine.
Jack Horner, Paleontologist.
Dr. Peter Lovatt, psychologist and dancer.
Dr. James Lovelock.
Paul MacCready "Engineer of the Century."
Archer Martin, Chemist (1952 Nobel Laureate)
Matthew H. Schneps, Astrophysicist
John R. Skoyles, Brain Researcher.
Artists:
Leonardo da Vinci.
Ansel Adams, Photographer.
David Bailey, Photographer.
Chuck Close.
Ignacio Gomez, Muralist.
Tommy Hilfiger, Clothing Designer.
Ian Marley, Contemporary Artist, South Africa.
Pablo Picasso.
Robert Rauschenberg.
Auguste Rodin.
Bennett Strahan
Robert Toth
Jørn Utzon (architect, designed Sydney Opera house)
Andy Warhol.
Willard Wigan, mi
Law & Justice:
David Boies, Attorney.
Erin Brockovich, Investigator.
Jeffrey H. Gallet, Judge.
Military Heroes:
Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson.
George Patton.
Musicians & Vocalists:
Cher.
Brad Little.
John Lennon.
Nigel Kennedy, Violinist.
Bob Weir, Grateful Dead Guitarist.
Athletes:
Muhammad Ali
Duncan Goodhew, Olympic Swimmer
Bruce Jenner, Olympic Decathlon Gold Medalist
Magic Johnson
Greg Louganis
Bob May, golfer.
Diamond Dallas Page, World Wrestling Champion.
Steve Redgrave, Olympic Gold Medalist (rowing).
Nolan Ryan, Baseball Pitcher.
Rex Ryan, Coach.
Jackie Stewart, race car driver.
Magic Johnson
Greg Louganis
Famous people with dyslexia -
Physicians & Surgeons:
Harvey Cushing, Surgeon.
Fred Epstein, Neurosurgeon.
Political Leaders:
Winston Churchill.
King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden.
Michael Heseltine.
Andrew Jackson.
Thomas Jefferson.
John F. Kennedy.
Gavin Newsom, Mayor of San Francisco.
Nelson Rockefeller.
Paul Wellstone, U.S. Senator.
Woodrow Wilson.
George Washington.
Entrepreneurs & Business Leaders:
Richard Branson,Founder of Virgin Enterprises.
John T Chambers,CEO of Cisco Systems.
Henry Ford.
William Hewlett, Co-Founder, Hewlett-Packard.
Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA.
Sir Peter Leitch, New Zealand businessman
Craig McCaw, Telecommunications Visionary.
O.D. McKee, founder of McKee Foods.
David Neeleman, CEO of jetBlue Airways.
Paul J. Orfalea, founder of Kinko's.
Charles Schwab, Investor.
Ted Turner
Robert Woodruff, President of Coca-Cola
Frank W. Woolworth.
Filmmakers:
Robert Benton.
Nicole Betancourt, Emmy-winning filmmaker.
Walt Disney.
Søren KraghJacobsen (Danish film director).
Writers & Journalists:
Scott Adams, Cartoonist (Dilbert)
Hans Christian Andersen
Avi
Jeanne Betancourt, (Author of "My Name is Brain Brian").
Stephen Cannell, television writer & novelist.
John Corrigan, novelist.
Larry Chambers.
Agatha Christie.
John Edmund Delezen, author of Eye of the Tiger and Red Plateau.
Andrew Dornenburg, award-winning author and chef.
Fannie Flagg (Author of "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe").
F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Gustave Flaubert.
Terry Goodkind fantasy writer, author of The Sword of Truth series.
Byron Pitts, CBS News Correspondent.
Patricia Polacco, Children's Author and Illustrator.
Eileen Simpson (Author of "Reversals").
Natasha Solomons, contemporary novelist.
Philip Schultz, winner of 2008 Pulitzer Prize for poetry.
Elizabeth Daniels Squire(author of mystery novels).
Bernie Taylor, author of Biological Time.
Victor Villaseñor, author of bestselling novel, Rain of Gold
William Butler Yeats, poet.
I thought Ann Bancroft was an actress...I must have read it wrong....
Jefferson may have had autism
Ericka- take Project LIFT as your baby and move on with Ms. Watts. Foxx dont even think your using tax payer money to fund the LIFT venture either. Our eyes are on your greedy little hands pal. The entire program lacks accountability and trust.
Women's History:
nn Bancroft is an American adventurer who is well-known for her successful expeditions to the Artic and Antarctic.
Bancroft was born September 29, 1955 in Mendota Heights, Minnesota. She loved the outdoors even as a young child, and spent her time exploring the Minnesota wilderness. When she was growing up, her father took her on canoe and camping trips. At the age of eight, Bancroft started her own winter camping expeditions with her cousins.
As a child, Anne Bancroft struggled with dyslexia; however, she went on to earn her Bachelor of Science degree in physical education from the University of Oregon. Bancroft then taught physical and special education in Minneapolis, Minnesota. During that time, she also coached various high school sports, including wilderness education and gymnastics.
A Woman of Many Firsts
In 1986, Anne Bancroft left her teaching position in Minnesota to join the "Will Steger International North Pole Expedition". After 56 days, Bancroft and five others arrived in the North Pole by dogsled. In successfully completing the expedition, Bancroft became the first woman to reach the North Pole by sled and on foot.
In 1992, Bancroft led the first women's crossing of Greenland. The following year, Bancroft led three other women on a 67-day, 660-mile skiing expedition to the South Pole. The journey was funded by the American Women's Expedition, and earned the distinction of being the first group of women to reach the South Pole on skis. Bancroft's achievements later led to her induction into the United States National Women's Hall of Fame.
Where is She Now?
Along with her friend and fellow teacher, Liv Arnesen, Ann Bancroft founded the Bancroft Arnesen Explore (BAE). According to the organizations website, the BAE is a non-profit organization that aims to "inspire people, particularly women and girls, to follow their dreams". Since the foundation of the BAE, the two women have traveled around the world to share their stories through presentations, films, and workshops.
Ann Bancroft has become an international figure. Her expeditions have been tracked by major news networks across the globe, and she has been featured in magazines ranging from beauty magazines to Sports Illustrated and National Geographic.
According to her website, Bancroft is a spokesperson for the Learning Disabilities Association, Wilderness Inquiry, and the Girl Scouts of America. She also serves on the board for various youth and women's organizations.
Veered off the subject a little here, have we? Ann must be having too much fun in Reno to report on her adventures with Heath and get us back on track.
Anne Bancroft was the daughter of Italian immigrants, and studied drama at New York's American Academy of Dramatic Arts. She worked in live television, then came to Hollywood and appeared in several forgettable films, before returning to New York to work on stage. "The studios wanted to give me the Monroe-type sex buildup," she later said. "I wanted to develop my acting, not my body." On Broadway, she won Tonys for Two for the Seesaw with Henry Fonda, and The Miracle Worker with Patty Duke and Patricia Neal. She also starred as Golda Meir in the 1977 production of Golda.
In films, Bancroft was best known for her performance as the seductive Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate with Dustin Hoffman. She won her only Oscar playing Anne Sullivan, the teacher who reached deaf and blind Helen Keller, in The Miracle Worker. She was also nominated for Harold Pinter's The Pumpkin Eater, The Graduate, The Turning Point, and Agnes of God. Her other noteworthy films include Neil Simon's The Prisoner of Second Avenue, Lynch's The Elephant Man, 'Night, Mother, Torch Song Trilogy, and 84 Charing Cross Road. She wrote and directed only one film, the unique and underrated Fatso, starring the sadly comic Dom DeLuise as a man wrestling with obesity, and features Bancroft as his sister, urging him to lose weight.
Bancroft was married for four decades to comic moviemaker Mel Brooks, and appeared in three of her husband's comedies, Silent Movie, To Be or Not to Be, and Dracula: Dead and Loving It. She also appeared as an extra in a church scene in Blazing Saddles, "for the sheer fun of it."
Father: Michael Italiano
Mother: Mildred DiNapoli
Sister: Joanne Italiano
Sister: Phyllis Italiano (aka Phyllis Wohl/Mallah)
Husband: Martin May (oil heir, m. 1-Jul-1953, div. 13-Feb-1957)
Husband: Mel Brooks (filmmaker, m. 5-Aug-1964, one son)
Son: Max Brooks (writer for SNL, b. Jun-1972)
University: American Academy of Dramatic Arts, Manhattan, NY
Oscar for Best Actress 1963 for The Miracle Worker
Golden Globe 1965 for The Pumpkin Eater
Golden Globe 1968 for The Graduate
Emmy 1970 for Annie, the Women in the Life of a Man
Emmy 1999 for Deep in My Heart
Tony 1958 for Two For the Seesaw
Tony 1960 for The Miracle Worker
Hollywood Walk of Fame 6368 Hollywood Blvd.
National Women's Hall of Fame
OK, so Ann Bancroft the actress is gifted too. But did she have dyslexia?
I am not so sure what point you are trying to make with all of this. With this comparison of Ann Bancroft and Anne Bancroft is that these days these conditions are bred into kids that they are now disadvantaged and not responsible that they have this condition. Whereas in the past centuries, these people worked even harder becuase there was no social institution to fall back on and no one to have a "pity party" with.
No matter what of these conditions these people had and today's kids have, there is almost always some place, some talent, some effort they can excel in. While many these days eventually find that outlet, many give up too early and are "enabled" by too many claiming their own self righteousness and looking down on those who insist these kids keep on and not give up.
So what is it?
Most of us when I went to school were poor but we did not know it. We took our education seriously because we believed in the American dream that with every generation, we should strive to be better. We strive for our children's lives to be better than ours. Now politicans and social scientists have turned us down this road we are on and this better future for our kids is in jeopardy.
I think one of the "points" is that public education in the U.S is expected to cater to the needs and desires of every individual without considering the needs of the whole. Everyone wants and demands something "extra". Gifted education, special education, additional low-income funding, English as a Second Language, etc...
Not that complicated.
One of the things I've found most startling about going back to school is the constant message that every teacher can and should be meeting the individual needs of every student - even if they have 100 students. I think most people would agree this is wonderful in theory but walking on water isn't a skill most people possess.
Hmm, I'm all for famous Anns, but yeah, that Ann(e) Bancroft thread was odd. Time difference and a full slate of visits/interviews did keep me from diving right in.
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